Natural analogs less addictive?

[angelique510]

When I switched from an RJR brand of cigarettes (Misty Lights) to a comparable Indian cigarette, I had bad withdrawl from "something" - no matter how many I smoked. I am also lacking that "something" with vaping, even though I have, at times, taken in enough nicotine to make myself sick.

So it is not just the nicotine, or vaping or the patch would satisfy me. Nor is it something in natural tobacco - MAOIs or one of the naturally occuring alkaloids, or else the Indian cigarettes would have satisfied me.

Nothing scientific, just my own limited experience - but I assume there is "something" in commercial cigarettes that is not in natural ones. Then again, it might not be chemical at all, it could be something psychological between us and our brand of choice. That would be almost impossible to figure out, and would be different for each person.

~A

[tanisloray]

Nothing scientific, just my own limited experience - but I assume there is "something" in commercial cigarettes that is not in natural ones. Then again, it might not be chemical at all, it could be something psychological between us and our brand of choice. That would be almost impossible to figure out, and would be different for each person.

~A

I think there is definitely something to this. It took me a LONG time to adjust to smoking camel menthol lights after Salem stopped producing the black label. Like you, the camels never satisfied my craving. I definitely think there is something to cigarette brands psychologically.

[dgriego]

I smoked Amercian Spirits for several years, my reason for switching to them was that they were natural with no additives and I had hopes I would therefore be able to lay them down easier.
This was not the case. I tried cold turkey with them several times, I tried chantrix with them and I tried several methods of rationing them out.
None worked.

[jj2]

I smoked them for years---even used an exta filtering device. Get one of those and use it---you won't believe what it gathers in just a few hours of smoking. THEN think of the stuff it doesn't take out.
Quit. You now have the option of the PV, use it.

[Hoosier]

Nope, smoked American Spirit non-filter for over 10 years. Needed fewer per day than other brands and like the flavor. Getting closer to weaning myself off them with my Joye 510, but still have cravings.

[dleerl]

I also smoked an additive free cigarette. Had less trouble smoking them than I did with regular cigarettes. When I smoked 1 pack of regular cigarettes I would have a lot of trouble with coughing and phleghm but I wouldn't have that trouble with additive free cigarettes at that same amount. I could smoke double that amount and still not have that problem. I would have phlegm in the morning but not during the day like I would all day long with regular cigarettes. There definitely is a difference in the two and that is not psycological. The additives affect my lungs. Now as far as withdrawal, I have a problem getting off cigarettes. I stilll haven't fully switched over. I'm beginning to think I either need to switch to a 5v or I am going to have to add snus or alkaloids. I have to do something. The 510 isn't cutting it. Any suggestions out there on which way to go, pm me.

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[a2dcovert]

I also smoked an additive free cigarette. Had less trouble smoking them than I did with regular cigarettes. When I smoked 1 pack of regular cigarettes I would have a lot of trouble with coughing and phleghm but I wouldn't have that trouble with additive free cigarettes at that same amount. I could smoke double that amount and still not have that problem. I would have phlegm in the morning but not during the day like I would all day long with regular cigarettes. There definitely is a difference in the two and that is not psycological. The additives affect my lungs. Now as far as withdrawal, I have a problem getting off cigarettes. I stilll haven't fully switched over. I'm beginning to think I either need to switch to a 5v or I am going to have to add snus or alkaloids. I have to do something. The 510 isn't cutting it. Any suggestions out there on which way to go, pm me.

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The basic success orientation is having an optimistic attitude. ~John DePasquale

You are looking in the right place. Look through this thread:

So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

It's a long thread but a wealth of the type of info you are looking for.

[olderthandirt]

...I have a problem getting off cigarettes. I stilll haven't fully switched over. I'm beginning to think I either need to switch to a 5v or I am going to have to add snus or alkaloids. I have to do something. The 510 isn't cutting it. Any suggestions out there on which way to go, pm me.

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The basic success orientation is having an optimistic attitude. ~John DePasquale

Hey dleerl

Vaping alone does not completely satisfy everybody. Many folks have quit smoking with e-cigs alone but there is a significant number of folks that can't quite pull it off with vaping alone.

For a quick idea of what I'm saying read through DVaps blogs.

The general idea is that there are alkaloids other than nicotine that we get from smoke. The liquid we vape has NONE of these additional alkaloids hence the not quite satisfied feeling so many folks have from vaping alone.

Take some time and read through the Smokeless Tobacco forum.

There is a growing number of users that are finding the addition of either Swedish snus or nasal snuff to their vaping is what it takes to completely get off the smokes.

You can purchase a helluva lot of snus and/or snuff and a bit of higher nic liquid for what a new 5v mod would cost would cost.

[North Shore]

This discussion is of great interest to me.

As someone who stopped smoking commercial cigarettes three years ago, can say that moving from American Spirit reds and Nat Sherman Naturals, which were great, over to tobacco from Daughters and Ryan was amazing. I never looked back. I switched because my state added FSC paper which was making me sick. It wasn't just the fact that I was being overtaxed.

I still keep some jars of tobacco around and usually have at least one or two real cigarettes a day. However, that is down from 15-20 isn't it?

I have even experimented by adding small amounts of concentrated tobacco extract, made from my stock and filtered water, into regular eliquid. So far, it has worked nicely and did not kill the 801 atomizer.

I know that Vermont Vapor pours eliquid through tobacco. Don't most tobacco flavored eliquids contain some real tobacco extract? and wouldn't that in turn contain some of those other alkaloids that people seem to be missing?

[DVap]

I know that Vermont Vapor pours eliquid through tobacco. Don't most tobacco flavored eliquids contain some real tobacco extract? and wouldn't that in turn contain some of those other alkaloids that people seem to be missing?

When I work out the numbers on direct extraction of tobacco into propylene glycol/eliquid, it always turns up a very low concentration of nicotine/alkaloids.

The closest thing I've seen to efficacious would be TropicalBob's method of mixing a small volume of PG directly into a mini snus packet, and stuffing the packet directly into an atty.