Nicotine vs. Caffeine
Sorry to bother, but I am completely saturated with medical/chemical info right now, I am a suggestion hypochondriac and if I read anymore I am going to freak myself into a Panic Attack.
In non-scary terms, what is really the difference between the effects of caffeine vs. nicotine on your system? Is nicotine really more dangerous, or are they similar?
Caffeine is fine for all but health fanatics.
Caffeine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nicotine in moderation seems to be fairly low risk for an otherwise healthy person. It is definitely more dangerous than caffeine
Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thanks Nuck. I will check out the links when I can handle more info!
Oops sorry. I should have read your original post a bit more carefully.
If you use nicotine responsibly Jenny it might even be good for you. The main dangers associated with it are the delivery methods, if they are not clean, as with smoke, then there can be problems.
Nicotine is a vaso constrictor so makes blood vessels shrink, that can cause problems to do with circulation and for men with erectile dysfunction. It's thought to have good side effects for depression, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, psychosis, ADHD and some other conditions.
I think the danger is in the dose, high amounts raise the likelihood of problems and tolerance, you start to need more for the same effect. Low doses aren't linked with anything harmful that I've heard of yet.
I'm trying to sort out the effects of my personal vaporizer vs. analogs. Totally different. Pack a day for 20 yrs and the low and medium nic liquids, (vaped sparingly) in the PV knocked me on my ass--it's so much "cleaner" (stronger) than cigarettes. I'm down to low mixed with Zero. Seems to be the opposite effect most people experience. As if for me the other crud in the analog have been muting the nic? or could tar prevent my body from absorbing the nic? I'm still craving something from the analogs though. I'm looking into the Harmine.
There really seems to be a mix of experiences with the doses. Some people go straight to 36mg and say it's not enough and some, like you, experience problems with lower doses. Without scientific studies we can only guess what's really happening but I suspect it has a lot to do with tolerance and additives.
jenny - are you smoking analogs at all?
I ask because from my personal experience, I went from a pack a day to 4-6 per day in a week. Then for the next six months I smoked an 11 mg cart with my 4-6 cigs. Since going tobacco free, I smoke 16mg and smoke the equivalent of 10 cigs a day. In that process, I have noticed that once I removed the tobacco, there was an additive I was missing... that addiction has just about subsided... but I seem to have balanced out.
As far as caffeine and nicotine, from what I have read, there isn't a difference. The only difference is how it is delivered. For some reason, sodas are acceptable and tobacco cigs are not, even though each lead to bad affects on the body. Soda can do devastating things to children, but for some reason, our society deems that ok. But... then again, we should just give it time because if the prohibitionists get rid of ..., nicotine, and alcohol, they will need SOMETHING to complain about and caffeine will be next.
From Caffeine and Your Child
How Caffeine Affects Kids
In both kids and adults, too much caffeine can cause:
* jitteriness and nervousness
* upset stomach
* difficulty concentrating
* difficulty sleeping
* increased heart rate
* increased blood pressure
Especially in young kids, it doesn't take a lot of caffeine to produce these effects.
Other reasons to limit kids' caffeine consumption include:
* Consuming one 12-ounce (355-milliliter) sweetened soft drink per day increases a child's risk of obesity by 60%.
* Not only do caffeinated beverages contain empty calories (calories that don't provide any nutrients), but kids who fill up on them don't get the vitamins and minerals they need from healthy sources, putting them at risk for nutritional deficiencies. In particular, kids who drink too much soda (which usually starts between the third and eighth grades) may miss getting the calcium they need from milk to build strong bones and teeth.
* Drinking too many sweetened caffeinated drinks could lead to dental cavities (or caries) from the high sugar content and the erosion of tooth enamel from acidity. Not convinced that sodas can wreak that much havoc on kids' teeth? Consider this: One 12-ounce (355-milliliter) nondiet, carbonated soft drink contains the equivalent of 10 teaspoons of sugar (49 milliliters) and 150 calories.
* Caffeine is a diuretic that causes the body to eliminate water (through urinating), which may contribute to dehydration. Whether the amount of caffeine in beverages is enough to actually cause dehydration is not clear, however. It may depend on whether the person drinking the beverage is used to caffeine and how much caffeine was consumed that day. To be on the safe side, it's wise to avoid excessive caffeine consumption in hot weather, when kids need to replace water lost through perspiration.
* Abruptly stopping caffeine may cause withdrawal symptoms (headaches, muscle aches, temporary depression, and irritability), especially for those who are used to consuming a lot.
* Caffeine can aggravate heart problems or nervous disorders, and some kids may not be aware that they're at risk.
Anyone who says that caffeine is not addictive and does not cause withdrawl symptoms is wildly mistaken. As far as I am concerned, caffeine and nicotine should be regarded in the same fashion. Must be 18 to consume.
lacey, i sooooooo agree with you.
Kate--Well I feel better to know that you've heard of this and I'm not the only one. I really worry about these folks who can vape 24/7 on those high nic formulas--WOW
Lacey--Yes I still smoke analogs. I've gone from 1 pack easily to half a pack a day. The best I've ever done, really, after many attempts to quit. Sometimes the PV actually makes me crave an analog! Definitely something missing. I pretty much quit caffeine this summer, though sometimes I will sneak in a bit. Trying to curb anxiety, I guess I'm prone to jitteriness!
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