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    It's all about money, power and control. The cancer industry and most of conventional medicine is built upon causing sickness and prolonging life while making the sickness stay; via treatments that do little more than gag the human body's ability to express itself (supressing symptoms.) That's just like putting a sock in a baby's mouth because it's crying and just going about your day.

    Obviously, that baby will either choke or suffocate and die. Same thing happens to the human body, just slower.

    So, yeah. It's sick; but the elite don't care. We are little more than chattle, whose purpose is merely to live as mini-corporations to be taxed in order to support the schemes and establishments of said elite.

    Just a side question: Aren't the majority that much sicker for continuing to offer themselves on this altar of medicine? Further, they cannot be totally blamed for all of this. The analogy I like to use the most is that you can't blame the vultures for lingering if you don't bury your dead.

    Likewise, the elite are justified in what they do largely by our refusal to get up, wake up and rise up.

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    Good to have you on the forum Bill.

    A lot of people think that smokers dual use e-cigarettes to 'evade the smoking ban', and banning them would encourage them to give up entirely.

    A lot of people think that a new generation of nicotine users will emerge, perceiving e-cigarettes to be harmless. Some of them may go on to other, demonstrably more harmful tobacco products (or indeed other drugs - some believe that there is a causal link between nicotine use and other addictions).

    And nobody knows what the long term effects of e-cigarettes are yet - there simply isn't any data. It's a reasonable inference that they're much safer than cigarettes, but many people act like they've been decisively proven harmless. You ever see those adverts telling you which brand of cigarette your doctor would recommend? What is it they say about those who ignore history..?

    You don't need any conspiracies to explain this. Not that the science and politics of this aren't often biased - there's simply too much money at stake for that to not happen. But assuming everyone who disagrees with you is part of a giant nameless conspiracy is probably not helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vappoem View Post
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    Skeptic by any chance? As far as the webpage, it comes from Jeff Rense. His wikipedia page mentions that he is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, a holocaust denier, and seems to be concerned with something called a chemtrail (which probably means he wouldn't understand vaping).


    Of course this is off topic, but the public will NEVER know who was behind 9/11. We know the majority of hijackers were saudis, we DONT know who paid them, or how far down the rabbit hole it goes. Anyone with common sense should see that there is FAR more to the story than WE will ever know.


    Chemtrails have been proven. Several companies have released info, the government as well, that the technology at least exists, and HAS been tested. Chemtrails are when jets contain a chemical release system, which releases chemicals into the air.

    While I admit, most "chemtrails" are just "contrails", jet vapor, there HAVE been chemtrails released in the past. Wouldn't surprise me if they are still doing it.


    Some of Jeff Rense's stuff is good, some is far fetched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by generic mutant View Post
    Good to have you on the forum Bill.

    A lot of people think that smokers dual use e-cigarettes to 'evade the smoking ban', and banning them would encourage them to give up entirely.

    A lot of people think that a new generation of nicotine users will emerge, perceiving e-cigarettes to be harmless. Some of them may go on to other, demonstrably more harmful tobacco products (or indeed other drugs - some believe that there is a causal link between nicotine use and other addictions).

    And nobody knows what the long term effects of e-cigarettes are yet - there simply isn't any data. It's a reasonable inference that they're much safer than cigarettes, but many people act like they've been decisively proven harmless. You ever see those adverts telling you which brand of cigarette your doctor would recommend? What is it they say about those who ignore history..?

    You don't need any conspiracies to explain this. Not that the science and politics of this aren't often biased - there's simply too much money at stake for that to not happen. But assuming everyone who disagrees with you is part of a giant nameless conspiracy is probably not helpful.

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    Occam's Razor is often used out of context.


    Conspiracies has existed since the beginning of mankind, man conspiring against man. It is nothing new.

    Sure, some people who are uneducated on e-cigs might not understand them, and thus dismiss them.

    However, when a blatant disinfo campaign is being paid for, and spread rapidly....i can assure you, it isn't just people uneducated on ecigs as the cause. It is , as you said, a group of corporations conspiring against the ecig industry for their own benefit.


    Nothing about that is far fetched, and it makes a LOT more sense than thinking its just a bunch of people who don't like ecigs....

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    [QUOTE=
    A lot of people think that smokers dual use e-cigarettes to 'evade the smoking ban', and banning them would encourage them to give up entirely.

    A lot of people think that a new generation of nicotine users will emerge, perceiving e-cigarettes to be harmless. Some of them may go on to other, demonstrably more harmful tobacco products (or indeed other drugs - some believe that there is a causal link between nicotine use and other addictions).

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    There would be a very simple solution to this problem. I have been saying this for 15 years now. ANYONE born after a specific date (we could use 2010 since no one ages 3 and under uses tobacco products) could be banned from EVER buying ANY tobacco product. This would make it nearly impossible for kids to start smoking. But wheres the money in that?

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    Sorry accidental double post.

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    I'm still considering how to add to this thread. Here's a bump.


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    Here is how you know e-cigs are legit. They are crowd-sourced. People make mods, people make their own e-juice, their own flavors, etc. There is not some evil corporation behind this crowdsourcing. It is very real that many people have taken these first steps towards saving their own lives and "taking the sock out". Yes, we get that there's corruption in our government, but you can join Wolf-Pac if you want to try and stop it. Your other choice is to grab a torch and pitchfork. Here, however, is neither the time or place to speak of such things.

    As for Non-Profit Organizations, I have worked for a few in my younger years. All (most specifically those meant to "help" people, and religious bodies) but one of them was a total scam. It was a way for them to earn a check while feeling good about themselves, and not paying taxes doing it. Very little, if any, of the money went towards anything meaningful. It's basically the same thing as you giving money to a neighbor so he can live rent-free, and then he makes a donation every once in a while and says "LOOK, I'M AWESOME!". The best thing you can do to prevent cancer is to educate yourself and others. Start with your vices, and work your way over to diet and fitness. Spread the word.

    The last time I checked, the instance of cancer for males in America was ~50% (slightly less for women). That's the combined chances of you getting one form of cancer or another in your lifetime. From BPA, to eating meat (colon cancer, obesity, diabetes, kidney stones, antibiotics, growth hormones), to bad dietary decisions (dairy increases prostate cancer risk significantly), to microwaving in plastic containers, to pollution, and much more - the onus of your own well being falls on you. Educate yourself and others. Put your money into that. Put your hopes into that.

    Thanks to the OP for bringing this to the public eye, though.

    P.S. fasting causes your body to cannibalize the bad cells in your body first. It's not something a lot of people do, but it is a natural way to fight cancer.
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    Chemtrails are real and being used everyday its called cloud seeding and weather modification. It's being done on a global scale. Google Australia's ski resort industry their weather authority has been making it snow this way ever since snowfall totals began dropping off a few years back. HARRP project uses it also. A few top retired weather scientists have researched chemtrails you'll be amazed at their findings. Point here is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's all about the money and always will be. A wise man once said if you want the truth follow the money and that isn't a conspiracy theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bustastew View Post
    Anyone who has researched the ecig will understand that their proclaimed motives to ban it are incorrect. I believe they know the real facts but have other motives to ban it.

    Together we can find information that would establish a motive to snuff out the ecig!


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    Please post all researched information found on the so called non profit health organizations fighting against your freedom to vape!

    I will post more here as I find time to research =)
    I would like to see a better sourced page with references. Without references, the page and claims are useless. There is no reason not to back up statements.

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