Supplier Challenge

[Webby]

There are many municipal and state laws working their way through the courts. Some are part of agendas, but (giving benefit of a doubt) some may be simply misguided efforts by politicians trying to protect the public. What would be best, would be to schedule an appointment and personally demonstrate an e-cig to them (time and resources obviously negate that possibility.)

Rather than continuing to stack chips on our shoulders, (donning our best hip waders for the inevitable pissing contests) I'd like to propose this:

As a supplier, I would like to pledge to send 25 basic 510 kits to any AG or legislators who may be proposing legislation based solely on their "understanding" of electronic cigarettes without having seen one first hand. Bill Godshall and Lacey should be able to easily fill those first 25 slots, so the challenge goes out to my fellow suppliers to pick up the slack and make similar offers.

We pride ourselves on being educated on the virtues of e-cigs. Let's take the higher road and let them see what e-cigs are. Based on the conversations I've had with several of the people leading the anti-e-cig fight, many have honestly never even seen an e-cig!

It boggles the mind, but it's true. No - not everyone will be swayed by a live demo or sample kit, but it is a small price to pay to make the effort. I am certainly willing to pony up a few kits to place an e-cig in the hands of the people (with the power to ban them) in order to know we made the effort to convince them with more than words.

[JustJulie]

Great idea, Webby.

[laurel099]

That is a great idea!! Thanks for that and I really hope to see other suppliers jump on board too!! So many people that have a negative view of the e-cigs have never even seen the darn things! Thank you!!!

[Bill Godshall]

I agree with Webby that e-cigarette vendors (as well as e-cigarette users and public health experts) need to better educate key government officials about e-cigarettes.

The problem is identifying which government officials to contact, as there are thousands of state legislators and tens of thousands of local council members. Meanwhile, US Congress is the least of our worries.

Clearly, our priority should be elected officials who have proposed anti e-cigarette legislation (or who are members of a legislative body in which anti e-cigarette legislation has been introduced and is pending).

State AGs are another concern, as they typically don't require approval by the legislature to go after individuals, organizations and products that they target
So far, AGs in Oregon and Connecticut have launched unwarranted attacks on e-cigarettes, and that number could increase (especially if Judge Leon's ruling favors the FDA over SE and NJoy).

State health departments are also a concern, as they can influence state legislators and AGs (but most health departments don't have the legal authority to ban a product's sale or usage). The Virginia Health Dept. has recently launched an attack on e-cigarettes, and I'll try to deal with that situation in coming weeks.

[dubnluvn]

Great idea! I'd love to see a running tally on whom gave what to whom. It would be awesome to see some feedback from them, if any, as well. We could then monitor their position and see how much affect this type of program has.

[dubnluvn]

So...any suppliers acting on this???

[markarich159]

Originally Posted by dubnluvn

So...any suppliers acting on this???

No and here's why(read this post from another thread):

Americans: do you really want to protect your right to vape?

I'm convinced most,not all, of the e-cig suppliers are doing this part time to make a little extra cash(and the absolute LACK of any regulation makes it easy for ANYONE to become a supplier). When e-cigs are banned they'll go back to their full time gig. There is no supplier concern for the "industry" in general.

[Lab]

If they ban them I will start selling them.. there is a legal way around everything but pre-filled carts.. it just means a bit higher cost for packaging. as far as the e-cig can not ban a battery, or a heating coil. so they are safe..

as far as the liquids.. you can ban sales of liquids.. so to get around this you sell a package that contains pure nicotine that is put in the main dropper bottle.. then small vials of all the other ingredients so the person buying has to make it themselves.

look at illegal items ghb meth its illegal to sell them made.. but none of the ingredients used to make them are illegal or banned for sale, and could be sold freely

[markarich159]

Originally Posted by Lab

If they ban them I will start selling them.. there is a legal way around everything but pre-filled carts.. it just means a bit higher cost for packaging. as far as the e-cig can not ban a battery, or a heating coil. so they are safe..

That's called....drug dealing

Originally Posted by Lab

as far as the liquids.. you can ban sales of liquids.. so to get around this you sell a package that contains pure nicotine that is put in the main dropper bottle.. then small vials of all the other ingredients so the person buying has to make it themselves.

That's called illegally shipping poisons.... pure nicotine is a deadly poison that can be absorbed through the skin readily. I'm sure only 1-2% of your customers will have to be rushed to the hospital if they're careful.

Originally Posted by Lab

look at illegal items ghb meth its illegal to sell them made.. but none of the ingredients used to make them are illegal or banned for sale, and could be sold freely

You couldn't be more wrong. The DEA has a precursor list and almost every component chemical to make any illegal drug is listed and watched carefully. That's why you have to sign when you buy more then 6 boxes of nasal decongestants now.

[Lab]

Originally Posted by markarich159

That's called....drug dealing



That's called illegally shipping poisons.... pure nicotine is a deadly poison that can be absorbed through the skin readily. I'm sure only 1-2% of your customers will have to be rushed to the hospital if they're careful.





You couldn't be more wrong. The DEA has a precursor list and almost every component chemical to make any illegal drug is listed and watched carefully. That's why you have to sign when you buy more then 6 boxes of nasal decongestants now.

but they are 100% legal to buy and sell. decongestants are for a low grade product anyways.. to protect the customers all it takes is a vial with syringe top so when they do get to it, it is after diluting it.. some postal services will allow it maybe not usps.