Forbes, Reason Mag, Sullum: Why Is The CDC Lying About E-Cigs?

[Kent C]

Why Is The CDC Lying About E-Cigarettes? - Forbes

"The CDC refuses to see it that way. “This is a really bad thing,” CDC Director Tom Frieden told the Times. “This is another generation being hooked by the tobacco industry. It makes me angry.”

Wait a minute. “The tobacco industry” is hooking kids on e-cigarettes? Although tobacco companies have begun to enter the e-cigarette business in recent years, the two industries are hardly synonymous. Leaving aside the question of ownership, e-cigarettes do not burn and contain no tobacco, which is why they are so much safer than traditional cigarettes. It is more than a little misleading to classify them as tobacco products.

Yet that is what the CDC does. When it claims “there was no decline in overall tobacco use between 2011 and 2014,” it is counting e-cigarettes as tobacco products. That makes as much sense as counting nicotine gum or patches (which also contain nicotine derived from tobacco) as tobacco products. This is no mere word game, because it is not true that “there was no decline in overall tobacco use between 2011 and 2014.” The CDC is lying to us."

Please, no 'tobacco product' semantics. It isn't anyone here that misunderstands the lie that is being propagated. If tobacco use hasn't declined, why are the MSA bonds now considered 'junk bonds'?

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Nicotine in itself is not known to cause any disease. It is highly toxic in high doses and can be lethal. Since it does not cause a disease why is the CDC even involved?

 

[Kent C]

Nicotine in itself is not known to cause any disease. It is highly toxic in high doses and can be lethal. Since it does not cause a disease why is the CDC even involved?

Very good question - no 'disease' to control

 

[Mossy]

Good article, thanks for posting.

 

[caramel]

Kent - Altria's Q1 results were out 2 days ago, US tobacco cigarette shipments have actually increased 1.6%.

 

[BuGlen]

Kent - Altria's Q1 results were out 2 days ago, US tobacco cigarette shipments have actually increased 1.6%.

Do we know in which form (cigarettes vs. smokeless) sales were increased, and were those domestic sales or exports?

 

[caramel]

Do we know in which form (cigarettes vs. smokeless) sales were increased, and were those domestic sales or exports?

Domestic shippments, cigarettes. Marlboro brand alone increased 1.2%.

The War on Vaping is showing results. Wonder if any ANTZ would admit what were the consequences. And, more important, if they were intentional.

 

[BuGlen]

Domestic shippments, cigarettes. Marlboro brand alone increased 1.2%.

The War on Vaping is showing results. Wonder if any ANTZ would admit what were the consequences. And, more important, if they were intentional.

That truly is sad. It would appear that the ANTZ message is having its intended affect and pushing those on the fence or in transition back to smoking.

 

[Jethead]

Why? Really? This...$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Kent C]

Kent - Altria's Q1 results were out 2 days ago, US tobacco cigarette shipments have actually increased 1.6%.

That's more recent when the black PR on ecigs have taken hold. His time range was 2011-2014 when tobacco sales were declining. Eg.

Cigarette Sales 4-Year Trend in Convenience Stores | CSPnet

 

[kkay59]

People who don't vape, that I've talked to lately, believe the recent slanted studies on vaping. They think vaping is as bad, or worse, than smoking. I of course set them straight.

 

[-Tahsa-]

Too many people comment to me that e-cigs are more harmful than smoking. They are seriously misinformed and likely doing damage to people who would otherwise make the switch. How can people be so sure of something after reading one or two articles? The propaganda machine is truly scary.

 

[Kent C]

People who don't vape, that I've talked to lately, believe the recent slanted studies on vaping. They think vaping is as bad, or worse, than smoking. I of course set them straight.

Say: "Is there anything that you do or eat, where you've read biased fear mongering stories about them that you know are BS? Well, that's the same for ecigarettes."

 

[Marc411]

This was an interesting article on Nicotine

 

[nomore stinkies]

I find Forbes' articles regarding ecigs very articulate and to the point. There inserts are on point. I always sign on to read the next attack episode. They are very good at it. They even add REAl science. Imagine that.
I just wish we were having more impact. I read all these articles that counter the anti-THR lies but they seem to fall on deaf ears. I, like many others, are struggling to win over physicians and people in general. I write, email, copy, hand out, read some more, explain till I am blue in the face (ok so I stole that line from my mother) but what am I gaining? Oh no, no I am not giving up but if I could only see a little light at the end of this tunnel it would make me less.....obsessive and possibly less sarcastic when it comes to certain statements made by ANTZ cronies. But I don't think so...................................

 

[philoshop]

I find Forbes' articles regarding ecigs very articulate and to the point. There inserts are on point. I always sign on to read the next attack episode. They are very good at it. They even add REAl science. Imagine that.
I just wish we were having more impact. I read all these articles that counter the anti-THR lies but they seem to fall on deaf ears. I, like many others, are struggling to win over physicians and people in general. I write, email, copy, hand out, read some more, explain till I am blue in the face (ok so I stole that line from my mother) but what am I gaining? Oh no, no I am not giving up but if I could only see a little light at the end of this tunnel it would make me less.....obsessive and possibly less sarcastic when it comes to certain statements made by ANTZ cronies. But I don't think so...................................

I've found that shifting a somewhat stagnant face-to-face discussion of e-cigs to a more general discussion of the narcissistic attitude of the would-be-controllers to be effective.
Once someone is feeling disenfranchised with that generality it's usually pretty easy to get the discussion back to e-cigs and to get people nodding their heads in agreement.
It depends on the depth of the crowd though, I'll admit.