Is there a better atomizer design?

[icemanmaz]

I have a gamucci and this is a different It is more of a ball of metal than a strip. It has been going strong for a while now. I also have a few cheap back ups I got for £4.99 and they seem ok as well so maybe I am just lucky.

[kmk1018]

Hola, so I have been kind of a forum lurker here for a while, but after an idea I had, I decided that I need the opinion of experienced e-smokers.

It looks to me like the major inefficiency of a normal atomizer is the steel wool-to-fiber e-liquid transfer. As long as there is liquid in the wick, there is no reason it should burn, but the cotton-like stuff in the cartridge doesn't always allow the proper (or adequate) amount of e-liquid to flow into the fiber, thus letting the fiber burn.

My idea is to eliminate the steel wool altogether. Imagine an oil candle...the perfect amount of oil needed to maintain the flame is drawn, through capillary action, to the tip of the wick, and burnt off. It's self-regulating, rarely burns the wick (except occasionally at the tip) and pretty damn stable. Now imagine that, where the flame would normally burn at, is replaced by a ni-chrome heating coil, and the lower reservoir is filled with e-liquid. As long as the thickness of the wick was able to match the exact amount at the exact speed of the coil's vaporizing ability, then there (in theory) would be no burning of the wick...a simple mass/flow equation? Also, because very little fluid is actually required for the e-smoke, a small reservoir the size of a mini's cartridge could last for quite a while!

I have actually drawn out some good diagrams, with some other smaller features not mentioned here, and if I get some time, I'll upload them.

Oh, and I'm going to school to be an electrical and computer engineer one day, so this may be right up my alley...

[jigtg]

Loads of problems here. How are going to keep that wick wet when cart is half full? How are you going to connect that wick to cartridge so it can be replaced? Also you need to get air to flow straight through the coil. I've got couple plans ready but unfortunatelly building a proto is pain in the ass. I'm sure you can make a quick buck by selling the details to some chinese factory if you can actually show it actually works... I think Ruyan tried that way and ended up with a uber complex design that cost too much build. But hey, you can always try
E-cigs have plenty of stupid design flaws but talking about them here isn't going to help anyone. Think about how these devices let you know when battery runs out. Who wants to count how many times led blinks? Stupid idea.

[SmokingInTexas]

Originally Posted by jigtg

...but talking about them here isn't going to help anyone...

I want to disagree with this statement. I think our open discussions and ideas are exactly what is needed. Although many of us lack the technical expertise to execute a design change, many of us have ideas on how to improve the designs. I would be MORE than happy to share all of my ideas, because that may spark somebody's imagination, and the next thing you know, someone else builds one, which improves things for us all.

Admittedly, the "Bathtub Toaster" probably wasn't the greatest idea, but it does show creativity, and I'm positive the best inventions are seldom the creation of only a single individual in a vacuum.

Now, I'm going back to my plans for the 55 gallon e-cig cartridge.

[leaford]

Go for it, KMK. Souns like building one would be right up your alley.

[jigtg]

OK, you are right it helps someone, Janty. No other manufacturer reads this forum. I dont feel like helping Janty because they are already getting too good at what they do. If they get too good, they will become a monopoly and prices go high. Healty competition is what keeps prices reasonable. Sailebao(or the company that makes RN series) is the type of company I might help... they aren't too good but good enough to successfully execute a good plan.

[TropicalBob]

Not to get into a furious argument with you, Jigtg, but I strongly believe in "may the best man win." I will not support second-rate items or inventions. I will buy only the best idea, executed as well as possible. If Janty is the best -- and from my experiences it is -- then it has my wholehearted support.

Markets take care of themselves, based on many factors, not just price. May the best man win.

[jigtg]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Not to get into a furious argument with you, Jigtg, but I strongly believe in "may the best man win." I will not support second-rate items or inventions. I will buy only the best idea, executed as well as possible. If Janty is the best -- and from my experiences it is -- then it has my wholehearted support.

Markets take care of themselves, based on many factors, not just price. May the best man win.

Healthy markets take care of themselves. Ruyan is probably going to win USA markets although I dont really like their rip-off strategy. Still would be nice to have Sedansa in the game. Anyway, it takes at least 3 big players to make a heathy market. In time market shares get balanced across the world.

It would be great if half of the crappy e-cigs manufacturers would disappear overnight. Life would be so much easier.

[kmk1018]

Loads of problems here. How are going to keep that wick wet when cart is half full? How are you going to connect that wick to cartridge so it can be replaced? Also you need to get air to flow straight through the coil. I've got couple plans ready but unfortunatelly building a proto is pain in the ass.

A. Capillary action will draw the e-liquid through the wick (the e-liquid isn't in the cotton-like stuff, its liquid in a vial).
B. I got that figured out. The wick is attached to the to actual atomizer, the "cartridge" is a vial which can be refilled.
C. No, you don't. As long as there is a pressure difference, vapor will drawn out. And if you're sucking, there will be air in motion, which exerts lower pressure (Bernoulli's Principle), and the vapor, having standard vapor pressure, will be greater.
D. You really shouldn't build a prototype, let the company do that. Instead focus on a proof-of-concept.


And thanks leaford, if I ever get this working, I'll send you one of my first.

[Kimmiegrif]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Not to get into a furious argument with you, Jigtg, but I strongly believe in "may the best man win." I will not support second-rate items or inventions. I will buy only the best idea, executed as well as possible. If Janty is the best -- and from my experiences it is -- then it has my wholehearted support.

Markets take care of themselves, based on many factors, not just price. May the best man win.

unless the govt gets involved...then it doesn't matter...the best man doesn't win...the weak are rescued