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    Still following this story as regarding the sovereignty of the Seneca Nation (and any other Indian nation within our borders). So far no taxes yet, but NY Governor Paterson ain't giving up:

    Trying to Smoke Out More Revenue - Newsweek

    But on the bright side:

    "New York thinks of all that untaxed money as lost revenue, but the Senecas see it as a backbone of their economy. Paterson is not the first governor to tangle with the Indian nations. The administrations of governors George Pataki and Mario Cuomo also tried to bring in funds from the reservations. They caved on the issue after tribal members shut down interstate highways, blocking traffic and setting fires."

    Oh yeah ! Scalp 'em Tonto.........
    I'll check in later when I find out where I am, provided I'm still where I left myself :confused:.

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    The Seneca nation is still at it. I wouldn't hold my breath as this is the slow train of the courts, but at least let me dream a bit of USPS snus and no taxes before they are once again crushed....

    (CN) - The D.C. Circuit ordered a federal judge to reconsider whether banning the sale of cigarettes through the mail and online violates the U.S. Constitution.
    The Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act took effect last summer after being passed by Congress to combat illegal trafficking and cigarette sales to minors. The law prohibits the post office from delivering cigarettes sold on the Internet and forces Native American vendors to pay excise taxes to local and state governments.
    Robert Gordon, a member of the Seneca Nation of Indians who sells tobacco products online and by mail from upstate New York, claimed that the act cost him nearly all his business. Before the law was enacted, Gordon said Internet and phone sales accounted for 95 percent of his business.
    Gordon filed a suit in Washington, D.C., one day before the PACT Act was to go into effect, citing constitutional violations and infringement on tribal sovereignty.
    A federal judge denied Gordon's motion for a restraining order and preliminary injunction, finding that the Seneca Nation member filed the motion at the 11th hour and that stopping congressional regulations went against public interest
    On appeal, a three-judge panel found Friday that the District Court had abused its discretion and revived Gordon's suit and remanded the case for further proceedings.
    "First, the District Court erred by relying on the late hour of the filing," Circuit Judge Janice Rogers Brown wrote for the court. "At the time of Gordon's filing, the statute had yet to go into effect. A motion seeking to enjoin a statute's enforcement before the statute may legally be enforced is timely - or at least not late - by definition."
    Brown went on to say that even if the filing was untimely, it still would not have been a proper basis to deny the injunction.
    The appeals court also found that the District Court failed to meaningfully weigh certain factors involved in deciding whether to issue an injunction, and wrongly based its decision on a vague claim of acting in public interest.
    "By summarily citing to the public's interest without elaboration, the District Court abdicated its responsibility to fully analyze the one factor on which it did rely," the ruling states. "Consequently, we cannot be sure the District Court's analysis of the public interest was complete."
    The Seneca Free Trade Association estimated that more than 140 businesses like Gordon's on the Seneca territory were going to be affected by the law, according to his lawsuit. And one-eighth of 8,000 enrolled Seneca Nation members will lose their jobs as a result.
    The Seneca Nation said the PACT Act legislation materialized after substantial lobbying efforts from Big Tobacco and the National Association of Convenience Stores.
    Those found to be in violation of the act are currently subject to civil fines or felony charges that carry three-year prison sentences.
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    Thanks for the update stubby. By the way, have you heard from TV? He dropped off the face of the earth about a month ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hittman View Post
    Thanks for the update stubby. By the way, have you heard from TV? He dropped off the face of the earth about a month ago.
    Haven't heard anything. I don't have his email address so no way to contact him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hittman View Post
    Thanks for the update stubby. By the way, have you heard from TV? He dropped off the face of the earth about a month ago.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stubby View Post
    Haven't heard anything. I don't have his email address so no way to contact him.
    Wow....Didn't know TV had vanished? I hope he's ok! Keep us posted if anyone hears from him. OTD may have his e-mail if I remember correctly!

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    I emailed OTD and didnt get a response. I mailed a written letter to TV last Saturday but haven't heard from him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hittman View Post
    I emailed OTD and didnt get a response. I mailed a written letter to TV last Saturday but haven't heard from him.
    Hitt......He may just be taking a vacation from ECF. Not everyone has your forum fortitude!

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    I could understand that Wiz but its unlike him to not let anyone know. Last time he was going to stay off for a while he let me know. I guess I just worry too much.
    Sanity is overrated. I'd rather be happy.

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    Has anyone ordered post-PACT? I still haven't used up everything I ordered pre-PACT. I still have 8 cans of Offroad Cran Los left, 7 cans of SnusX (stored in tins, instead of the bucket) left, 4 cans of LD wet portions and 4 cans of LD dry portions. I figured all I ordered would get me through the middle of March, but obviously, I won't use up what I have left by then. Hell, I may not have to order until the end of May at the rate I am going.

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    I have ordered a couple times post pact. I wasn't completely out but was out of some of my favorites. Also my tastes changed some so a few that I had stocked up on weren't really my favorites any more. Depending on your state tax rate, snuscentral is probably the best way to go. I got an order not long ago and they aren't charging tax. Not to mention that northerner is higher priced on most snus and especially general brand.
    Sanity is overrated. I'd rather be happy.

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