Disturbing Post

[OutWest]

ah, I see the catch now,

Federal law specifically requires that all vendors who sell cigarettes over the Internet and by mail order to register with the state tax administrator in any state that has a cigarette tax before they advertise or make any shipments to that state.

While they cannot make you collect sales tax, you are required to collect tobacco tax.

Thank you for the link, Tone. Much appreciated

[wyzardd]

"Disturbing Post", a link to "Snuffhouse"... this really didn't turn out the way I was afraid it would, thank goodness

[Mohave]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

A companion measure will stop shipment of all tobacco products to private residences, whether via USPS or UPS or FedEx or whatever.

This is not imminent in the sense of something about to happen in a few weeks or just a couple of months, but is a very live proposal in the Congress. I believe TB is thinking of the legislation being pushed by Congressman Anthony Weiner of New York, with the charming name of Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act (PACT Act).

Weiner's press release on PACT: Anthony Weiner - New York's 9th District

I understand it made considerable progress towards passage in the last session of Congress, but ran out of time. The "health" groups loved it. He has reintroduced it. No action has been taken on it yet in this Congress. I think it stands a good chance of passage, but isn't a sure thing to get through the process in this session. If it becomes law I think it would be very effective at exterminating pretty much everything from everywhere. It would impose potential CRIMINAL penalties on United Parcel Service drivers or postal workers.

Originally Posted by OutWest

If it's simply merchant acct providers not wanting to provide merchant accts to vendors, there are ways around that, just like how some of the online casinos got around the federal law against transactions from banks or similar institutions to online gambling sites; they simply introduced a fourth party to the mix for the money to go through. I dont know if theyre still doing that or not, but I know when the law first went into effect they were doing it.

The online poker sites are still handling it that way. It is cumbersome but still works.

I'm not aware of any particular recent USA legal change that would have caused the problem described in the original post, so I suspect it could be an issue of merchant accounts. But I don't KNOW that, and paranoia is a sane and sensible default condition these days.

[Cancer]

Prohibition did not work on alcohol and that was before the internet....therefore how in gods name would it work now. Someone will figure this out,and i doubt e-cigs are going to be tobacco products. Considering nicotine can be found in the following...
1[Celery; in Plant;2[Milkweed; in Sprout Seedling;3[Belladonna; in Leaf;4[Papaya; in Plant;5[Jimsonweed; in Plant;6[Corkwood Tree, Pituri; in Leaf;7[Coca; in Leaf;8[Cutleaf Clubmoss; in Plant;9[English Walnut; in Leaf;10[Antler Herb, Clubmoss; in Pollen Or Spore;11[Cowage, Velvetbean; in Seed;12[Potato; in Plant;13[Ashwagandha; in Root; So just sell your products with a disclaimer that your nicotine is derived from one of the previous plants.

[Mohave]

A great many things that "don't work" become law and stay that way, and may even be very popular, Sir. There is no requirement that the exercise of government authority make any sense to you, or to others. Or that it "work." It doesn't have to.

[smokingclam]

Hopefully all this doesn't happen. I could care less about having to pay tax on my internet purchases. I'm not trying to cheat anyone out of tax money I just want to be able to buy the products the locals don't carry.

[MonkeyMonk]

I'm not sure if any of the Soverign Nation, Indian Reservations carry snus or snuff, but they are exempted from the Tobacco tax collection laws and turning over their customer lists to the local governments. But, it must be a Soverign Nation, not just an Indian Reservation. A few months ago I posted some info in the suppliers forum area because I thought the info of value for possible partnering with a Soverign Nation.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...expanding.html

If any of you, whom I know, want a link to a Soverign Nation just message me. I'd prefer not to post any links to the Soverign Nations.

Just checked, the one I have a bookmark for carries snuff, but not snus.
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[GreySaber]

Originally Posted by smokingclam

Hopefully all this doesn't happen. I could care less about having to pay tax on my internet purchases. I'm not trying to cheat anyone out of tax money I just want to be able to buy the products the locals don't carry.

Clam, what this is about is taxing you into poverty for your SIN of using nicotine.

The states tax the hell out of Tobacco because everyone hates us for being smokers.

Then they use our money to finance their pet progects, because they know we will pay ANYTHING for our addiction.

In NYC, I understand most smokes are 100+ dollars a carton. A CARTON! That's disgusting and wrong. Here in Georgia my Maralboro reds recently hit 40 a carton after holding at 28 for years.

This is a way for politicos to rake in the cash off the sinners everyone hates and then spend on their pet progects which they keep half way off the books since no one cares where sin taxes go.

If E-liquid became a tobacco product, you probley couldn't afford to buy it.

[TropicalBob]

Florida is raising tobacco taxes. No surprise. $1 a pack for cigarettes; a 25% tobacco tax on everything; a 60%-70% tax on all other tobacco products (my pipe tobacco almost doubles in final price). But ....

Great effort was expended by legislators to close off Seminole Indian reservations as sources of tax-free cigarettes. I do not understand exactly how it was done, but it was. You'll now pay the same there as at a 7-Eleven. The Indians under the deal make out like bandits (each already gets $40,000 per person per year for their share of gambling revenues).

This loophole is known -- and our elected representatives are working behind closed doors to eliminate it.