Snus just as bad as chews?

[WerkIt]

Originally Posted by duncantiv

Thank you for the references, but do you, or anyone for that matter, know of any studies that compare Swedish Snus to the American (Camel) Snus?

No. However, Camel does make a real snus, found here,. Camel SNUS is not a real snus. Real snus is manufactured according to Swedish food regulations and includes a list of all known ingredients. Camel SNUS does none of these things. You do not know what you are getting if you use Camel SNUS, just as you've no idea what you are getting if you purchase US analogs. No one knows what is in them. Of course, if you trust Big Tobacco and trust they have your best interest at heart, none of the above will bother you.

Originally Posted by duncantiv

The sources you cite only compare "traditional" chewing tobacco makers, as far as I can tell. Are there any sources that indicate American Snus are made with the same sugar-fermentation method as chewing tobacco?

The sweetener in Camel SNUS is fake, as far as I am aware.

Originally Posted by duncantiv

By the way, since I'm full of questions, what the hell are Snus anyway?

.

Snus is moist snuff. Snuff is ground tobacco.

[WerkIt]

Originally Posted by cmacpduff

Am I dreaming?, but are there folks out there who are actually comparing Snus as an alternative to E-cigs????

No. Some of us moved on to snus from e-cigs, because we found we liked it better. As far as maintenance, there is no comparison and snus wins hands down. Additionally, with tobacco moving under FDA regulation, it is prudent to have alternatives to smoking besides vaping, in the event the FDA bans either PVs or e-liquids. We can't even stop there either, in the event importation of snus is banned down the road.

Originally Posted by cmacpduff

How does Snus wind up on an E-cig forum??

Because it is applicable to these particular sections of the forum titled "Other Alternatives to Smoking' and "Smokeless Tobacco." Oh wait, aren't vapers also using snus portions to create tobacco flavor for e-liquids? I wonder if that might make snus relevant here as well?

Originally Posted by cmacpduff

Snus may or may not be free of chemicals found in flamable cigarettes,

Snus IS free of those chemicals. There is no question about that. There are studies going back for YEARS on snus, since snus has existed for two centuries. Where are the studies on the health effects and safety or the lack thereof for your e-liquids, particular long -term studies carried out over periods of years?

Originally Posted by cmacpduff

The major inconvenience of Snus (or chew tobacco) is the requirement to SPIT -

How very strange, given one of the major selling points of using snus is you don't have to spit. I have been using snus for weeks and not once have I ever had to spit.

Originally Posted by cmacpduff

and that is disgusting, socially unacceptable, inconvenient, unsanitary, --- need I go on?

Have you thought about a career with the anti-smoking lobby? You most certainly have the rhetoric down in spades. The only thing you missed was mentioning "THE CHILDREN (tm)."

The truth is, using snus is no different than using a breath mint and there is NO need whatsoever to spit when using snus. If using mini portions of snus, no one will have any way of knowing you are using tobacco at all, unless you tell them, making tobacco usage a private issue that is no one else's business but yours.

[sheilalynn]

Originally Posted by cmacpduff

Am I dreaming?, but are there folks out there who are actually comparing Snus as an alternative to E-cigs????? How does Snus wind up on an E-cig forum?? Snus may or may not be free of chemicals found in flamable cigarettes, but that's not the point. The major inconvenience of Snus (or chew tobacco) is the requirement to SPIT - and that is disgusting, socially unacceptable, inconvenient, unsanitary, --- need I go on?

I use both e-cigs and snus, and I know I'm not the only female in here using the snus too. In fact, there's a thread in here under the "smokeless tobacco" section about that. I did alot of research before I bought any snus and had the same worries as you. I didn't just look at the Swedish snus sites either, I looked under third party testing to get the unbiased scoop on them. What I found totally changed my mind on smokeless tobacco.

Snus portions are extremely convenient to use and virtually mess-free. There is no spitting, nobody can see it, they come in a wide range of flavors and strengths so there's something everyone would like, and they work very well. Most brands also have a lid that you can put your used snus in and then throw it away when you get home so there's no littering. There is also loose (los) snus, which is what I use at home most of the time now. But for being out of the house, I always use portions. In Sweden where it is more common than cigarettes, 20% of the snus users are women. Number of Swedish Women Using 'Snus' Grows In fact, there are some brands that are being made that are targeting the female consumers. I'm sure they wouldn't be doing this if they didn't think there was a huge potential to get women to switch over to snus. Vertigo a Snus for women

I don't plan on giving up my e-cigs or my snus...they each have a place in my plan to stay off of analogs and are way more safe than analogs.

[Kitabz]

Originally Posted by cmacpduff

Am I dreaming?, but are there folks out there who are actually comparing Snus as an alternative to E-cigs????? How does Snus wind up on an E-cig forum?? Snus may or may not be free of chemicals found in flamable cigarettes, but that's not the point.

Firstly snus is not chewing tobacco, you just put it in and leave it there.
It's like Nicorette gum without the requirement to chew it up a bit first before placing it against the gums. Not to mention that, unlike Nicorette, it has meaning levels of nicotine, is pleasant to use (for those of us who don't like gum) and has a huge variety of good flavours.

The major inconvenience of Snus (or chew tobacco) is the requirement to SPIT - and that is disgusting, socially unacceptable, inconvenient, unsanitary, --- need I go on?

There is no spitting with snus and, besides, all the other adjectives already apply to smoking anyway [and "disgusting" is entirely subjective].

Snus is just another weapon in the battle to keep of analogs.

For me, better than e-cigs because they're just so easy - put one in and forget about it. One small box in a pocket and you're good to go. No charging, no refilling, no leaking, no upsetting people who think that vapour is smoke, etc...

[TropicalBob]

I'm back to that rather hostile snus post!!!

There is NO spitting with snus. That is done only with chew tobacco -- and you'll not find discussions of that here.

Snus has more than a century of proven safe use in Sweden. The snus I personally use is from a company that started in 1822. This part of the forum is devoted to alternatives to cigarettes, of which the e-cig is one.

Did you see the Continuum of Risk graphs that Sen. Richard Burr displayed to the Senate? Did you see that e-cigs are RISKIER than using snus? They are. They are riskier than using dissolvable tobacco.

You'd do yourself a favor by investigating snus and might be converted. Unlike e-cigs, it is discrete in use and can be used anywhere, is more satisfying of nicotine needs in my opinion, and is cheaper.

[dEFinitionofEPIC]

I just LOVE when someone who is completely and utterly ignorant about a particular subject pontificates on in a condescending manner.

There is no more efficient way of making a fool out of yourself...

[Kitabz]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Did you see the Continuum of Risk graphs that Sen. Richard Burr displayed to the Senate? Did you see that e-cigs are RISKIER than using snus? They are. They are riskier than using dissolvable tobacco.

That's interesting. I'm assuming this is from the recent bill that has been passing through congress. How can he/anyone say that in the absence of peer-reviewed studies (which there are for snus of course but not for e-cigs or dissolvables AFAIK)? Analogs vs. snus or nasal snuff is an easy contest the rest is ... unknown ... at this time.

[WerkIt]

Originally Posted by Kitabz

How can he/anyone say that in the absence of peer-reviewed studies

Because the modern myth of the tobacco temperance movement is that tobacco usage is "disgusting, socially unacceptable, inconvenient, unsanitary, --- need I go on??" Within the temperance movement, ALL tobacco products are lumped in with cigarettes, with no differences in health effects noted. Look at Europe. Snus is banned everywhere except Sweden and Norway, yet which country has the lowest rates of tobacco related cancers in all of Europe? Sweden, a country where snus is not banned and a country in which snus is the primary form of tobacco usage.

[iggyLover]

Hilarious! Well y'all showed her, haha

snus came before e-cigs for me. It was only natural for me to go where
"birds of a feather" are.
I rather enjoy snusing and happy I quit the way I did. If I thought it was disgusting or required spitting it would be out of the question.

I'm just happy I would never consider buying an analog if my e-cig broke.

[iggyLover]

Hilarious! Well y'all showed her, haha