Snus just as bad as chews?

[TropicalBob]

I really don't relish "showing" up someone, but that post was pure ignorance, and needed correct information following it. Misinformation on this forum forms the basis for flawed opinion. That's just a shame. Imagine an anti group reading that and taking it as fact ... arrrrrgh!

[Kitabz]

... ALL tobacco products are lumped in with cigarettes, with no differences in health effects noted ...

Quite the opposite in this case. Sen. Richard Burr appears to have presented a chart displaying the relative risk of nicotine/tobacco products showing e-cigs worse than snus (or perhaps that should be snus better than e-cigs depending on your point of view). I'm curious to know what he based his chart on as I would expect a senior politician to have a source rather than just pluck numbers from thin air.

Then again, maybe I'm just naïve.

[cowgal]

ok so correct me if im wrong but aren't snus just like chew and contain the same awful chemicals and carcinogens? yes its an alternative to smoking but one still proven to cause face cancers........ why not just stick to the vapes?

Snus may or may not be free of chemicals found in flamable cigarettes, but that's not the point. The major inconvenience of Snus (or chew tobacco) is the requirement to SPIT - and that is disgusting, socially unacceptable, inconvenient, unsanitary, --- need I go on?

How can you guys drop bombs like these and not come back and say "okay, we stand corrected"? You don't even read up on a topic before you make your mind up, then you run around stating your erroneous opinions as fact? To us, the people who've actually tried snus and know better? Figure it out and let us know you have, or you're just trolling IMO.

[WerkIt]

Quite the opposite in this case. Sen. Richard Burr appears to have presented a chart displaying the relative risk of nicotine/tobacco products showing e-cigs worse than snus (or perhaps that should be snus better than e-cigs depending on your point of view). I'm curious to know what he based his chart on as I would expect a senior politician to have a source rather than just pluck numbers from thin air.

Then again, maybe I'm just naïve.

Since when was Sen. Burr, who happens to represent the state of North Carolina (can you say TOBACCO STATE?) part of the tobacco temperance movement? Post the ENTIRE quote and all becomes clear:

Because the modern myth of the tobacco temperance movement..... Within the temperance movement, ALL tobacco products are lumped in with cigarettes, with no differences in health effects noted.

[WerkIt]

How can you guys drop bombs like these and not come back and say "okay, we stand corrected"?

They will be back when all of their batteries and atomizers are dead and they can no longer buy e-liquids.

[duncantiv]

No. However, Camel does make a real snus, found here,. Camel SNUS is not a real snus. Real snus is manufactured according to Swedish food regulations and includes a list of all known ingredients. Camel SNUS does none of these things. You do not know what you are getting if you use Camel SNUS, just as you've no idea what you are getting if you purchase US analogs. No one knows what is in them. Of course, if you trust Big Tobacco and trust they have your best interest at heart, none of the above will bother you.



The sweetener in Camel SNUS is fake, as far as I am aware.

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Snus is moist snuff. Snuff is ground tobacco.

Heh, in the first section, you kind of lost me. When you refer to "Camel Snus", are you referring to the (sort of) Swedish ones sold on BuySnus, or are you referring to the ones sold in American convenience stores, or both? I propose we refer to the BuySnus ones as Swedish Camels Snus, and the convenience store ones as American Camel Snus, just to avoid confusion. I know it makes for more typing, but if we're to have a meaningful dialogue, it's best to avoid misinterpretation and confusion.

As for the rest, I completely agree that Big Tobacco will do whatever they can to make a buck, but until I have hard facts regarding the contents of American Camel Snus, I am hesitant to lump them in with traditional American chewing tobacco or analogs in terms of health hazards. You're probably 100% correct that they're worse than Swedish Snus, but documentation would be good to have. Unfortunately, the studies that have been done, to my knowledge, haven't covered American Camel Snus, and I am hesitant to make assumptions about any possible danger associated with them.

Does anybody know of any more recent studies? I'm betting that none have been done yet, and American tobacco companies just started packaging tobacco in the Snus style to capitalize on the idea without any research, but there is a remote possibility that somebody has started looking into the American Camel Snus, and maybe they have actually started posting results. Granted, they won't have long-term results, but maybe they've done research into ingredients, or TSNA (did I remember that one correctly?) levels.

[Stubby]

They will be back when all of their batteries and atomizers are dead and they can no longer buy e-liquids.

It's a hit and run.

[tescela]

Hello all!

I currently know very little about snus, except what I have learned in this thread...namely, that American tobacco companies are producing and selling "snus" here that does not meet the high food quality standards in place in Sweden.

***Please allow me to pick your brain:

I am seeking recommendations for Swedish *pouch* snus. Here is some info that will hopefully be helpful in making a suggestion (should you choose to help me):

- I swag estimate that I vape 3-4 ml of 24mg e-liquid per day
- I like the taste and nicotine level of U.S. Camel Snus Spice and Frost

I plan to continue vaping, but progressively decrease the nicotine strength of my e-liquid down to 6mg, or even zero.

My overall objectives are:

1. Avoid returning to analogs
2. *Slowly* decrease my nicotine intake

So, to make Swedish snus work, it shouldn't be so strong that my nicotine intake rises, but it should be high enough that -- at the beginning -- it serves as a replacement for pretty heavily vaping 24mg.

Thank you in advance for your suggestions!


P.S. If there is another thread that covers this, then I apologize for posting in the wrong area, and ask that you please point me in the right direction.

[duncantiv]

WerkIt might have better info, but my first impression is that these might do the trick for you:

Snus - Odens Extra Strong Original Portion

3-4mL of 24mg juice is pretty damn high. The Snus that I referenced are the highest available (that I know of) at 17mg each, so maybe they'll do the trick. If regular flavour doesn't do it, check around on the website. Oden makes a couple of other flavours that you may prefer.

[Kitabz]

... Post the ENTIRE quote and all becomes clear: [...]
Within the temperance movement, ...

Oh I see, I thought you were relating your comments to the senator (and, not being an American, I have no idea who he is [other than a senator], what he stands for or who he represents).