Value for money

[smoking gnu]

If you order 5 boxes of carts minimum from sedansa you get free delivery to the UK and the rest of Europe. These come recorded delivery by parcel force. Which I think is good for free delivery. As for the full kit you pay them enough for quick delivery and that’s what I got. As I say I can only speak of my own experiences ,So far so good, but I shall have to see what they are like when I will need a new part. If you live in Belgium they promise 24 hour deliveries. But I would rather wait 3 days than that. LOL When I have some spare cash I would like to get a janty kissbox classic. Or as you say a generic back up would be sensible. After reading the posts on the forum I would happily buy a generic form some of the recommended sellers.

[leaford]

Nice comparison, Kate. This is the point I have tried to make time and again, but you did it best. Thank you.

[trog100]

i could be wrong but dont these guarantees only apply if the sellers carts are the only ones used.. buy a sedans device and use sedansa carts.. or a ruyan device and use ruyan carts..

i think the guarantee is based on the gillette method of selling.. they make that much money selling the consumables that they can afford to keep sending out atomizers and batteries when they fail.. assuming the batteries are included in the guarantee..

take the sedansa posh 901 type.. the carts which i would get thru at least five a day of cost a quid each.. that 35 quid a week on carts.. its no wonder they can offer a five year guarantee is it..

over five years my sedansa running costs would be 9100 quid on carts alone.. have i lost the plot here cos it strikes as absurd to try and work out running costs when the most expensive item is left out.. the e cig equivalent of the Gillette razor blades..

the bling by the way is an end of line product being sold well bellow its original selling price by a hong kong ebay seller.. so are the year old carts.. its now in the cheapo range.. its now good value..

also i love the suggestion that a generic is needed to back these things up while the punter is waiting for his new guaranteed part to arrive.. to be fair i think at least two brand name kits should be included in the start up price..

or its like saying buy a rolls royce but make sure u have a ford escort to use while the fancy one is way being mended.. he he he he

now if sednasa are daft enough to send out free new parts for five years even if any old cheap fluid is used in the products i take it all back.. they are good value.. but somehow i doubt they are.. i also doubt they will be in business for long as well..

trog

ps.. useing 2 ml of liquid per day.. doing it my way would work out at 3,120 quid over a five year period..

[leaford]

Typical Trog, answer a post of solid facts with a bunch of "I doubt," and "I don't believe"s.

"I doubt they'll be in business long," is nothing but speculation, and paranoia. I would bet on Sedansa's or Njoy, or Janty's longevity over a smaller operator's. They have more backing them up.

Basing the guaranteed brands on buying two kits to start, but only one kit to start with the non-guaranteed brands would be deliberatly stacking the deck, which fits your usual pattern, but defeats the point of a head to head comparison. If you suggest two kits for the guaranteed, so you're covered while waiting for replacements, the same reasoning would suggest buying 2 kits of the non-guaranteed as well. WHether you have to buy your replacements or they are covered by a guarantee, either way you need something while you wait.

But, whatever. You have a very strong bias against guaranteed products, and I'm sure I will never understand why. Why does paying for a guarantee bother you? Would you buy a car without a warranty if it was half the price of one with?

As to the cartridges and the warranty, there's what the fine print says, and what we all do in reality. I've read all sorts of service problems here, but no one has yet said their warranty has been voided for using someone else's liquid. And seriously, given the cost of testing the liquid, can you seriously expect a manufacturer would EVER go to the length fo proving the customer used a different brand liquid?

[Kate]

Where does it say you have to use a particular eliquid with them? I've not come across that with Sedansa, Janty or Ruyan. Njoy might say that, someone mentioned that recently about them.

It would still be cheaper to buy two kits for Sedansa and Ruyan and almost as cheap for the Janty as maintaining a generic by the calculations I made. You don't mention the very conservative estimate on how many replacements are needed for a generic throughout the year.

[Kate]

Ludo has just told me that the Janty warranty is six months on all parts. That means doubling the original costing I did to have a years warranty. Or if parts of your Janty still work after six months adding the cost of one replacement for each part required for another six months usage.

Another note for Trog. Just because I think generics have their place doesn't mean that they are a better deal than a guaranteed brand device. Not everyone will think that way and it's hard to argue that the value for money prize goes to guaranteed brands. Even Janty with only a six month guarantee is probably close to the same cost of upkeep as a generic with a replacement atomiser every two months and a replacement battery every two months. And it's fairly certain that for a twenty a day man (lol) generic replacements would be needed much more than that.

[leaford]

In fact, Trog's own estimate, stated SEVERAL times in SEVERAL threads, is every two weeks.

[Kate]

He'll probably be back here with his persecution complex soon complaining that we two are ganging up on him

[trog100]

typical leaford.. to assume they will be in business for long enough to honour their long guarantee is also pure speculation.. he he he

unless of course u have a crystal ball and can read the future..

the reason for my bias is simple leaford.. if i buy something with a five year guarantee i assume the guarantee to reflect the expected life of the product.. i dont simply take it to mean they will keep supplying me with new parts as the ones i have go wrong and expect me to be product-less while all this is going on.. and keep making trips to the local bloody post office..

i dont expect for one second any of these people making these five year promises to be around long enough to honour them.. why on earth anybody else does i cant fathom..

my figures are based on my e current total weekly running costs kate extrapolated over five years.. but things change.. my sedansa figures were based on just the cost of sedansa carts alone over five years.. nothing else.. no postage and no kit price and no spare parts.. or ford escorts to keep me going while the rolls royce is being mended.. he he

i have broken down my costs and how they are arrived at before..

u should know by now i dont expect any of these things to last much longer than a couple of weeks on average.. my screwdriver device should cut my battery replacement cost down to next to nothing.. so it will just be atomizers and fluid from now on..

and no way on gods earth can i see the brand name people sending me out new batteries and atomizers every couple of week for the next year or so.. can u.. ???

ruyan are pulling out of this silly guarantee thing with their over priced disposable.. that carries an 1800 puff guarantee which is bout right.. he he

but whatever planet u guys are on i certainly seem to be on another one.. he he

trog

ps.. and kate u are ganging up on me.. u always do.. i dont mind thow..

[Kate]

You may not believe in the guarantee fairy but I have personal experience that it works. I don't know how long it will last for but in my opinion anybody with any sense will make good use of it. Just think of it as a lease agreement.

What about the eliquid claims you made earlier? Which dealers insist on particular brands of juice being used?

Love from your Sweet (who is very relieved to be on a different planet).