The SEARCH for the PERFECT E-CIG

[Cielo]

I really have to agree with the kr8 being top choice. However, i will recommend rinsing out the cartomizers with water after being refilled 3 times or so and let them dry overnight. It really makes a huge difference in the flavor. By doing this, I am still using my 5 original cartomizers that I got with my original kit in Nov 09 and they have no burnt taste. You must let they dry all the way or they lose a lot vapor until the water is all dried out (figured this out the hard way).

As far as the "pain in the butt" white caps. Drew at Nhaler had some blank kr8 cartz that have a one piece white rubber cap. These are very easy to pop on and off, no tools needed. I didnt like the cartz themselves as there was very little flavor but was worth it just for those rubber caps.

Well written review and im sure it will help a lot of people. Look forward to hearing a review on juice.

[Kent C]

I don't have a lot of money, maybe $50 max to spend and it's either going into an ecig or analogs until I start getting a regular paycheck.

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I've found starter kits for the 510 with 2 ecigs on google shopping for as little as $30 and I've seen enough threads about where to buy juice.

Thanks for any help, I'm hoping to have some answers by tomorrow so I can order tomorrow and get it before I run out of analogs.

Welcome to the forum. There's a good chance you can help out your family. I have.

Check this out for $35... (the $30 kits have not been Joye but knockoffs with battery problems ).
Joye 510 NO BOX

Get some Juice:

Cignot your Midwest Electronic Cigarette store.

If you order over $59 you get free shipping. That will be a good start. Imo, it's the BMW at Geo pricing. The 510 atomizer is stable and gets good vapor and flavor on the stronger flavors - tobacco, coffee, etc. You could spend a fortune finding the right cartomizers, they are so variable in flavor, vapor and longevity. After you get started and start making some money (and saving some from not smoking) you can get an adapter that will allow you to use cartomizers on the 510. The you can experiment with them but to get off cigs start wtih the 510 - it's the best 3 piece ecig, imo and it's also the least expensive full starter kit - some kits only have one atomizer.

[leaford]

Drozd, great photo! Praise Thor (have you read order of the stick?)

But, shouldn't a Thor Fish have six legs?

[Perfectionist]

Superb write up OP !!

Are there any developments coming down the pipeline to improve the KR8 cartomizers ??

[uzzaperez]

This is my first post, first I wanted to say thanks the the OP uzzaperez for the great write up. I haven't had much time on here to research and so far this was the best thing I've come across. Very informative in a way that relates each product and experience to the next which is good for me since I'm still trying to figure out what will be my first purchase which brings me to the reason for posting.

I don't have a lot of money, maybe $50 max to spend and it's either going into an ecig or analogs until I start getting a regular paycheck.

I've read the 510 is good, Ego is better, the OP said the KR808D was his 1st choice with proper use etc.

The first investment is tough, 510 or KR? Obviously I think the KR is the way to go. KR easily has the cheapest attys out there once you learn to use them properly, but you have to expect to go through $10 or $20 worth of attys to get the feel for how to preserve them and not burn them...maybe less if you can learn to understand the KR use tips while working through your first five.

Anyway, whether you get a 510 or a KR (these should be the only two you spend too much time researching for your first purchase imo) you need to make sure your first order includes at least two batteries (recommend 4) with at least one auto and one manual. You also need at least two attys for a 510 (recommend three), or 10 attys for the KR (same price as two 510 attys). You need a quality juice...at least 10ml each of 16mg and 24mg (for first juice I'd recommend CaSHTab from Puresmoker or Nobacco 555 from Vapor4Life - on the first juice you should go with a good tobacco flavor, move into the sweets later) (and regarding the nic mg, start w/ 16mg because that is good if it keeps you, 24mg is very satisfying, and you can reduce mg later after you have transitioned). And you must get a pass-thru so you can find out what vaping is like with a better power source than the standard batteries (also, if you are normally around a power source like a USB port this will save you money on batteries).

If you don't get enough stuff and/or the right stuff you will find yourself having to go back to analogs before you get your next order placed. The above recommendations might not turn out to be your preference, but they are a very safe set of recommendations to get you transitioned and enjoy it.

[uzzaperez]

Interesting post:V4L vs Joye 510!

[Kent C]

Interesting post:V4L vs Joye 510!

She's right - the 510 consistently gets better vapor. Some cartomizers are just a puff. Some do better but the whole thing about 'no mess, no refilling' is just a ruse - a bait and switch - because the first time someone asks if the cartos can be refilled - then the 'no mess, no fuss' facade comes off and then the ritual refilling of cartomizers comes out in full - popping the top (better have tool), removing the inner rubber, filliing on an angle only, spinning, letting it sit overnight. Lol. And if everyone refilled, they wouldn't sell many cartomizers and they are expensive - almost as much as cigarettes if you don't refill and don't want the 'mess and fuss'. They should really drop that line - makes them look dishonest when it isn't what they really recommend when someone asks if they can be refilled or use their own juice.

Plus the insinuation that people can't refill a 510, 901, 801, 401, 4081 cart is frankly insulting to most people, esp. when it's followed by what one has to do to refill a cartomizer. Neither is hard at all, but between filling a cart and refilling a cartomizer... uhh.... refilling a carto is a bit more 'fuss'. Sorry. That's the truth.

And the comment that if she 'would have probably given up on vaping had she started with a 510', shows more about her than the 510. There are so many posts of people quitting the day they got their 510 after having other ecigs here, that it would take up the rest of the thread to list the links to people who said exactly that.

This is what people prefer - many after having tried many devices:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...eferences.html

and then add what atty is used in the 'mod' category:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...-your-mod.html

... and you'll get a better picture of how many didn't give up with the 510.

[5cardstud]

Great piece but I prefer the 510 with a kr808d-1 cartomizer (with an adapter). I have the best of both worlds. Now I just need to figure out battery life.

[Kent C]

Great piece but I prefer the 510 with a kr808d-1 cartomizer (with an adapter). I have the best of both worlds. Now I just need to figure out battery life.

I'll tell you, a cafe mocha frappuccino from V4L on a Bartleby with the 510 to carto adapter is a great long vape! ;-) The cartomizer runs out before the battery which is not true for the KR808-D1/280mAh that I have. Plus I'm not running into that 5 second cutoff on the KR8. (supposed to be 8 second - it's not).

That's one flavor that I find really good and the vapor and longevity has been consistently good. If I want to 'change flavors' and get a bit more vapor, I just pop on the 510 cartridge with DV's Habana Reserve or Absinthe :-) They're loaded and have the carto rubber on the atty threads, ready to go. No mess, no fuss. lol.

[yano_jl]

Great piece but I prefer the 510 with a kr808d-1 cartomizer (with an adapter). I have the best of both worlds.

The "Best" of both worlds? I dunno.



I use this set up as well, and my findings differ somewhat:

• Although portable and convenient, the 510 battery's life is shorter that the 808 batts (among others). I think we all agree on this one, otherwise 3.7 mods might not be so popular.
• The draw on the 510 powered cartomizer can be a bit light and "airy". This can be addressed, to some degree, by a minor mod to cover up some of the air holes in the adapter.
• The vapor production using this set-up is, IMHO, the weakest part. I spew a hugh cloud using 510 batts and attys together. Using the cartomizer on the adapted 510 produces a feeble little cloud. I find myself puffing on the cart several times in sequence just to "beef-up" the vapor. For some, vapor production ranks pretty low on the list of priorities, especially for stealth vaporers (is that a word?). I just prefer a bigger hit that this configuration can offer.