French Pipe

**uzzaperez** · 01-21-2010, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Kent C

I'll tell you, a cafe mocha frappuccino from V4L on a Bartleby with the 510 to carto adapter is a great long vape!

The cartomizer runs out before the battery which is not true for the KR808-D1/280mAh that I have. Plus I'm not running into that 5 second cutoff on the KR8. (supposed to be 8 second - it's not).

LOL - Yeah, I remember the 5 second cut off on my first manual KR. That really sucked. Wasn't so bad on the auto, it was kind of natural to pause and resume your draw to get a 10 sec result anyway. Luckily the newer batteries are 10 or 13 seconds to the cut off, which is big for me because I prefer the KR due to flavor being an important factor for me. And on my pass-thru or high voltage I get the vapor boost you would expect from such. Anyway, even though I am a KR fan, I can't really knock the 510.

On the other hand, I can bag on the 901 all day. What a mediocre POS.

**Kent C** · 01-21-2010, 09:04 PM

yano_jl:The "Best" of both worlds? I dunno.

I use this set up as well, and my findings differ somewhat:

Although portable and convenient, the 510 battery's life is shorter that the 808 batts (among others). I think we all agree on this one, otherwise 3.7 mods might not be so popular.

For the most part comparing the KR8 that people use vs. the 510 regular batt is an apples and oranges comparison. If you compare the 280mAh 510 mega with the KR8 280mAh batt, the 510 wins that one. But of course not against the 150mAh batt.

The draw on the 510 powered cartomizer can be a bit light and "airy". This can be addressed, to some degree, by a minor mod to cover up some of the air holes in the adapter.

I haven't had that problem with the adapter from heaven gifts. But I've had some cartomizers - greencig - where thet notches in the adapter simply don't work - the connection cuts off all air.

The vapor production using this set-up is, IMHO, the weakest part. I spew a hugh cloud using 510 batts and attys together. Using the cartomizer on the adapted 510 produces a feeble little cloud.

Here, it really depends on the cartomizers and the flavors -V4L's cafe mocha frap does fine as does cognac, french pipe and a few others. The newport and cuban cigar are just puffs and I've had a few of each - I like the flavor on the cuban. The difference is striking. And if you happen to get those flavors then I'd agree but there are some flavors that get at least 901 vapor but not quite 510 vapor, imo.

I find myself puffing on the cart several times in sequence just to "beef-up" the vapor. For some, vapor production ranks pretty low on the list of priorities, especially for stealth vaporers (is that a word?). I just prefer a bigger hit that this configuration can offer.

Vaping them on a mod helps - when I was using the KR8 batt, it seemed like every other drag was good vapor, as if the carto wasn't wicking fast enough. On a mod though - again, with certain flavors, that doesn't happen and the vapor is consistent.

Actually the vapor on the vapor kings, puresmoker, greencig was more consistent - ie. better and longevity was good but each of those had an underflavor that ruined the whole experience. 555 was the only one that was really vapable, imo. And this underflavor is rather well known - I only found that out when I reported it myself and then people were directing me to whole threads about it.

That said, you can avoid those downfalls (and high expense) by getting some blank cartomizers and a blunt syringe (heaven gifts) and a 510 adapter and filling them with your own juice - they last for 3 hours that way and the vapor is good if not great with the right juice.

**keyzygirl** · 01-21-2010, 09:06 PM

Ive tried different stuff and for me the xlong with the 13 sec cutoff and the new 1ml cartos from V4L are the perfect combo.The flavor and battery time work out perfectly.I know its only my opinion,but it really works for me.

**Kent C** · 01-21-2010, 09:09 PM

uzzaperez:LOL - Yeah, I remember the 5 second cut off on my first manual KR. That really sucked.

I know. It was my first manual with a cutoff! I thought huh?? Who's idea was this?!?

Wasn't so bad on the auto, it was kind of natural to pause and resume your draw to get a 10 sec result anyway. Luckily the newer batteries are 10 or 13 seconds to the cut off,

They were just hitting the market when I got the other one - wish I would have waited but with the 510 adapter it really does do the trick for me.

which is big for me because I prefer the KR due to flavor being an important factor for me. And on my pass-thru or high voltage I get the vapor boost you would expect from such. Anyway, even though I am a KR fan, I can't really knock the 510.

On the other hand, I can bag on the 901 all day. What a mediocre POS.

It can work well on a 5volt mod and while it is good for some fruit/berry/lighter flavors the 801 gets the same good flavor but with a bigger cartridge. Still I'll use it on my 5volt and it doesn't burn too hot like the 510 at that voltage. Still the 510 on a 14500 will produce more vapor than the 901 on 5volts. :-)

**yano_jl** · 01-21-2010, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kent C

That said, you can avoid those downfalls (and high expense) by getting some blank cartomizers and a blunt syringe (heaven gifts) and a 510 adapter and filling them with your own juice - they last for 3 hours that way and the vapor is good if not great with the right juice.

I have the syringe, and the 501-to-cartomizer adapter as provided by AltSmoke. I do NOT have the blank cartos, nor the flavors you recomended... yet. On your recomendation, I shall give these a try.

With regards to the Frech Pipe, however, yeesh. I actually tried a version of this flavor (Dekang, I believe) in my 510. I thought it kinda tasted like a cross between cheap perfume and a stool sample

Thanks for the feedback and advice.

**Kent C** · 01-21-2010, 09:33 PM

yano_jl:I have the syringe, and the 501-to-cartomizer adapter as provided by AltSmoke. I do NOT have the blank cartos, nor the flavors you recomended... yet. On your recomendation, I shall give these a try.

With regards to the Frech Pipe, however, yeesh. I actually tried a version of this flavor (Dekang, I believe) in my 510. I thought it kinda tasted like a cross between cheap perfume and a stool sample :p

Oh it sucks ;-) French pipe is all over the place on flavoring. At least with hilton and camel you know you're going to get some tobacco with some chocolate or cocoa. TW's french pipe is rather good - tobacco with peach and something else. My top pick on cartos would be the cafe mocha frapp and the cognac but you'd have to like the cognac flavoring of course. The french pipe is good. And again, so far, imo, only from V4L. I'm still 'trying some out' and in general it will just be for those times - driving and travel..... otherwise, get the nobacco juice and vape it on the 510 atty ;-) Others with good vapor and not terrible flavor - caramel (and that isn't as good flavor as some claim - same with expresso - good vapor - not expresso ;-) coffee and caramel are evidently tough to nail down flavor wise - very few get it - JC's old Kona did, Janty capp... and now cafe mocha frap - that's about it, imo. ruyan#4 has more caramel in it that most caramel flavors, esp. dekang which tastes like pina colada. V4L ry4 is quite good, as is the hilton, kant, marguerita. Still have some menthols to try. Smilin' menthol is 'ok'.

**uzzaperez** · 01-21-2010, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Kent C

yano_jl:The "Best" of both worlds? I dunno.

... vapor production ...

Here, it really depends on the cartomizers and the flavors -V4L's cafe mocha frap does fine as does cognac, french pipe and a few others. The newport and cuban cigar are just puffs and I've had a few of each - I like the flavor on the cuban. The difference is striking. And if you happen to get those flavors then I'd agree but there are some flavors that get at least 901 vapor but not quite 510 vapor, imo.

Having used a lot of cartomizers I can share that if you aren't getting vapor it is almost always either a bad carto or it is underfilled (if from the manufacturer) or overfilled (if you filled your own blanks). Usually if you throw it on a pass thru you will find you are getting good vapor. Pop the top and drip the filler wet and you are getting great vapor.

Sometimes I do get the occassional underperforming cart, but usually the above solves the problem right away, and once the carto is going it is going good so you can throw it back on your normal battery. Works for me anyway.

I guess my main point is, if you like the flavor don't give it up just because it seems to be linked to underperforming cartos - it is almost always the carto and never the juice that is giving you trouble. (At least if it is good juice like the CaSH from Puresmoker or the Nobacco from V4L).

**daveshoot** · 01-21-2010, 09:40 PM

Funny, I just got the V4L French Pipe in a sampler and I think it is my favorite so far (on a stock KR808D-1). Tastes like a mild cherry pipe tobacco, very warm and creamy texture. I wish I would have gotten the Cuban in the sampler, and I think I will be ordering some.

I am loving the KR808D-1 and am glad I started with it.

**Guineahill** · 01-21-2010, 10:00 PM

I think the Kr8 is the best out there for people who want something simple to use. Refilling really isn't a chore since you don't have to do it often. I used to smoke 2 and a half packs a day and I go through two or three cartomizers a day.

I also like the Joye 510 for people starting out. It is relatively easy to use and works quite well. I go through a lot of batteries though since they don't last that long. And I do need to fill cartridges often.

I always tell people that it will take them a while to find which model works best for them. The important thing is just to get one and get started!