Quitting the Ecig

[ZeroNullity]

If you want to quit just quit... no easy way getting off nicotine. It is said to be more powerful the ...... as far as addiction & relapse.

[clear_blue27]

I am aware that is one of the most powerful drugs out there. Is the second day supposed to be harder then the first? I feel like I am climbing the walls. I had difficulty concentrating at work yesterday. I wanted to take a puff when I woke up. I didn't though. I need some encouragement. Even though I feel that I don't deserve it. I made a list up to say to myself and that seems to help. I also am not charging it. Which also helps.

[SpottedPony]

TAKETHEREDPILL

"....a powerful puff of nicotine starts a neurochemical chain-reaction that increases breathing rate, accelerates heat rate, constricts blood vessels, elevates blood pressure, causes the liver to release stored cholesterol into the blood stream, the adrenal gland to release glucocorticoids, the thyroid to release metabolism hormones, the hypothalamus to release corticotropin-releasing hormones, a decrease of progesterone levels in females and testosterone in males, digestive tract shut-down, a glucose release into the bloodstream followed by a boost in insulin to metabolize it, pupil dilation, and your blood to thicken. Inside those highly constricted and over-pressurized blood vessels, carbon monoxide eats away at their teflon like lining (endothelium) while nicotine amazingly vascularizes fat buildups causing arteries to harden. More smokers die from circulatory disease each year than from lung cancer ....."

TTRP[/quote]

Ya think?
Actually, smoking is bad....period. There is no reason to promote and promulgate unsubstantiated propaganda about "nicotine". There is no doubt smoking is bad...none. However, nicotine is but one of hundreds of compounds in cigarette smoke (the "4000 chemicals" is another unsubstantiated BS statement). If you look REALLY hard for scientific evidence to support all of the claims in your statement - you will either find none..or you will find studies that no self respecting scientist would put their name on and that could not survive a pier review......and that were funded by some "anti-group" that wanted a particular result. The "anti" groups make a living at being "anti groups"....its amazing just how LITTLE is actually known about nicotine...and the amount of info that is known but is suppressed. What do the "anti groups" do w all that money they collect? By process of elimination..one can say w surety they do not "do" science.
When self serving "anti groups" start dictating "science"...it is time to get worried...very worried.
Smoking is bad for everyone...there is no exception...however, nicotine is a medicine for many....and should be avoided if at all possible by the rest of us. I rather puff on an ecig than a cigarette...but I would really rather do niether. And, it looks like the anti groups are targeting ecigs...they prefer that smokers have no alternative to smoking ... AND that they not smoke.....here in the land of the free.

[cdre]

@Clearblue

You are just 3 days in right? Just relax and let it go. While I would agree that nic is a very powerful drug, I will say that most of my analog nic consumption was done purely out of habit/boredom (chain-smoking while driving, at the bar etc.)

As an analog smoker, IMO, you would find that you really only feel the "want" for a smoke 5-7 times a day. Yet, I would smoke 20-30 a day. Example: You go 2-3 hours at work without a smoke, then you light up on break. When you drive home, however, you will have 2-3 smokes within a 20 min span. Strange.

Bottom line, Just stop this all together. If everyone here put all of the money that we have spent on analogs OR e- cigs together, we could buy a professional baseball team. Not going to do the math, but you get what I mean.

Or just vape 0 nic.

[TaketheRedPill]

Ya think?
Actually, smoking is bad....period. There is no reason to promote and promulgate unsubstantiated propaganda about "nicotine". There is no doubt smoking is bad...none. However, nicotine is but one of hundreds of compounds in cigarette smoke (the "4000 chemicals" is another unsubstantiated BS statement). If you look REALLY hard for scientific evidence to support all of the claims in your statement - you will either find none..or you will find studies that no self respecting scientist would put their name on and that could not survive a pier review......and that were funded by some "anti-group" that wanted a particular result. The "anti" groups make a living at being "anti groups"....its amazing just how LITTLE is actually known about nicotine...and the amount of info that is known but is suppressed. What do the "anti groups" do w all that money they collect? By process of elimination..one can say w surety they do not "do" science.
When self serving "anti groups" start dictating "science"...it is time to get worried...very worried.
Smoking is bad for everyone...there is no exception...however, nicotine is a medicine for many....and should be avoided if at all possible by the rest of us. I rather puff on an ecig than a cigarette...but I would really rather do niether. And, it looks like the anti groups are targeting ecigs...they prefer that smokers have no alternative to smoking ... AND that they not smoke.....here in the land of the free.

If you read my original response to the OP, who described congential cardiac problems and little to zero experience with prior smoking (which is why I highlighted them in My response), I believe I gave a correct resource and advice for her particular situation. Referring someone to a quitting site, is not supporting the rabid anti-smoking extremists, it's trying to help.

Nor would I make that person feel deprived by focusing on how wowwie-zowwie wonderful nicotine is (not-so-subtle encouragement to use), when they're so clearly asking for encouragement to NOT use nicotine.


To say that nicotine has not been studied is a gross misrepresentation. Many of the noted effects were found as a side-result of actually investigating nicotine for new drug possibilities and also as a result of it being isolated for use as an insecticide. Just one search at New England Journal of Medicine on the keyword 'nicotine' pulled up over 8 pages of returns. I could list pages and pages of of additional research. [ never did find any article saying nicotine was hunky dorey in it's 'natural state', but, I didn't read all eight++ pages of hits, either. Maybe it's really there, but that's not the point - the OP is asking for our support in NOT using nicotine.]


I do agree with you that I'd rather puff on nothing at all, too, and am glad that the e-cig has been very effective, at least ancedotally, in assisting people in reducing or eliminating nicotine.


I'll put this up :
New England Journal of Medicine, search page. If anyone can find the 'it's not toxic' article that Perplexity cited from an e-zine opinion piece, somebody please PM me the link: Popular Searches on The New England Journal of Medicine


Hope this helps!
TTRP

[TaketheRedPill]

Thank you TaketheRedPill. So far I've had not had any nicotine since before dinner. Which was like 5 hours ago!

Hey, Clear_Blue27! you're doing great! I found that doing a little exercise when I get cravings releases the same endorphines as smoking does. (and hyperventilating for 20 seconds gives me the light-headed feeling lolol) Another day, and the nicotine will be gone from your system. The third day is always the hardest but you can work thru it. You're back in control now, and, You're Winning!!! Tomorrow you will be freeeeeeeee! Keep going, galpal, you can do this!
TTRP

[sherid]

I am 27. I am indeed a non smoker. I've been wanting to smoke all of my life. My sister and brother smoked at one point in their life. They don't smoke anymore tho. I think that is the reason I want too. I know I made a bad choice. I am going to be going to 0nic. Give the nic a rest. I've only been vaping for 3 days. I am already experiencing the withdrawal.

The reason I want to quit is cause, I respect my parents greatly. I do not want to upset them in anyway. So yeah. No more nicotine for me. No matter how good it feels. I feel stupid.

I did however have a real cig here or there. It made me feel ill. This ecig does not. I would feel much better, and so would my heart! I had open heart surgery no less. When I was born that is.

The key is to quit the e cig for yourself, not for your parents or for anyone else. At 27, you are an adult with a history of heart problems. Sorry, but I have real trouble believing that you addicted yourself to nicotine in 3 days. As a smoker, I remember when I started smoking. I would smoke only on weekends and not even think about cigarettes during the week. The idea of full-fledged addiction to nicotine via e cigarettes after 3 days stretches credibility. Give the e cig away to a smoker and just go on with your life.

[ZeroNullity]

I am aware that is one of the most powerful drugs out there. Is the second day supposed to be harder then the first? I feel like I am climbing the walls. I had difficulty concentrating at work yesterday. I wanted to take a puff when I woke up. I didn't though. I need some encouragement. Even though I feel that I don't deserve it. I made a list up to say to myself and that seems to help. I also am not charging it. Which also helps.

I consider myself a happy smoker, and the only reason I would want to quit is for health reasons. I've tried quitting many times.... Stress is a big factor, the more stress, the more urges you'll have for a smoke/vape. It just takes will power & determination. I've went more then 1-3 months without nicotine... and then had a sudden craving at random (usually under stress).... You just have to have a mind set that you'll never smoke again... You have to want it... It's best to keep busy... if you have any free time... find a new hobby, exercise, etc. Don't put yourself in stressful situations etc. The physical effects will take some time to adjust, but you'll get over them. Remember, smoking is not only a physical addiction, but a mental one too.

[SpottedPony]

TaketheRedPill...."the poison is in the dose" - this is as true today as it was 2000 years ago. I believe this was the same journal that originally published the "linear" relationship between cototine blood levels and the number of cigs smoked...and...dred...2nd hand smoke exposure. The said study is beyond bad....its horrid. But, gee..having been done at Oxford and all...it became the STANDARD. That is not to say a study done CORRECTLY might have found a well defined correlation - it is to say....whomever conducted the study wanted a result...did not get it because their study was SO POORLY done...so they drew a straight line in scatter..and said "look at the linear result...nearly an r factor of 1, by darn!!!",
My point is that a lot of valuable information is completely lost in this kind of pre-determined result cloaked w "science" dressing. There should be a LOT more known than is...and there should be a LOT more demand for repeatability. There is almost no demand for repeatability bacause if you publish a "nic is bad" result - is is taken for the gospil...no need to even waste time on an honest peer review!

[AllieBee]

The key is to quit the e cig for yourself, not for your parents or for anyone else. At 27, you are an adult with a history of heart problems. Sorry, but I have real trouble believing that you addicted yourself to nicotine in 3 days. As a smoker, I remember when I started smoking. I would smoke only on weekends and not even think about cigarettes during the week. The idea of full-fledged addiction to nicotine via e cigarettes after 3 days stretches credibility. Give the e cig away to a smoker and just go on with your life.

TBH I also have trouble believing (understanding?) that you could be addicted to nicotine after 3 days of use. Especially from ecigs which unlike tobacco cigarettes DO NOT have any other addictive ingredients.