NQ, the problem with everything you stated is that very little has been tested as far as nicotine without the aspects of a cigarette, since there was very little need, since that has been the means of ingestion for so long. Nicotine is not what causes the primary issue with cigarette smoking.
Nicotine has also been shown to have some health benefits (do a search on the benefits of nicotine, there are too many sites to list here) The addiction itself has limits. Most people do not have to increase their intake of nicotine to stay content, they find a level that satisfies and typically stay there.
Nicotine has been extensively studied in isolation. Have a look at pubmed. The fact that we don't need to use increasing doses simply means tolerance hits a plateau. It's still highly addictive, otherwise why would people here be worried about having to go back to analogs?
I do agree that the LD of nicotine is much lower than caffeine; although, I have not heard of many cases where people have reached that level.
Definitely. The problem is that I can have a lethal dose of coffee sitting in my cupboard in the form of beans, and nobody bats an eyelid because it would take days to drink it all. I mean in terms of e-cigarettes: I have a bottle of liquid sitting next to my keyboard that I bought without signing any forms or asking any doctors, that contains 16mg/ml = 320mg of nicotine, enough to kill several people. Can you imagine the sort of hysteria you can whip up about the latter? I'm not saying it's right. But surely you can see where people are coming from. There are many people that don't have any idea what kind of thing "their kids" can buy on the internet. (As long as their kids have credit cards
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All I am saying is that nicotine in itself gets a very bad rap, when in reality I don't feel it is much different than caffeine (with the excpetion of the LD, but less is needed to get the benefits or satisfy the addiction). I feel I have the right to ingest nicotine for that very reason. I do drink caffeine, maybe not as much as some, but I don't want to see it go away, and I feel nicotine should be treated the same way.
It's clear we differ: I think nicotine's wildly different from caffeine, in dose, structure, effect, action and duration. Caffeine is more comparable to pot in use pattern and psychological factor alone, although it has the opposite effect. The addiction metrics show a gap as wide as that between .... and cough syrup. But maybe I should stop annoying you because I agree with you, these are two drugs which are safe in responsible use and it's none of a government's business what we do with them.
The trend is ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE *TOWARDS* fascism unless you actively, directly reject fascism as an acceptable policy.
I sort of agree with this, though I think it might be a bit early to bring in fascism. Godwin's law is just waiting to be invoked. But this is what I'm struggling to say ... the argument from comparison never works when dealing with the right to put whatever you want into your body. We're never going to have a sensible policy on nicotine when dealing with a completely insensible system.
I may be one you're thinking about when you say 'conspiracy theory', but when it comes down to it, there certainly is an element amongst us that feels it's okay to impose their will upon the rest of us. I actually went to the A.S.H. website and was flabergasted to listen to them say that vaping is spreading unwanted nicotine to others. Good Lord already! It is so benign when compared to cigarette smoke that it's not even worth mentioning. These people have public opinion on their side as there's more ignorance than knowledge floating around about e-cigs.
I wasn't thinking of you, I have enjoyed your posts. What you're saying makes complete sense. There are just some people who think that this entire thing has been controlled by evil forces since some time last year, when in reality, most people in the western world have still not even heard of what we do.
"Big Tobacco" can be reassured that tobacco will still need to be sold even if everyone in the world used e-liquid, because every drop of nicotine comes from tobacco, and pharmaceutical companies are too busy rolling around in huge piles of money to take any notice of us. It's easy to say the whole world is against us when we're probably just a minor annoyance at this early stage. Of course I applaud any efforts to educate, and I've been trying to win over everyone who asks me why I'm sucking on a pen.
