Cartridge filler materials

**Stehle** · 08-03-2009, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by metapuff

the question is what is the lipton pyramid bag made of. my initial query leads me to believe it is "pet" plastic.

If after reading all the posts... (no one really knows) ...well I wouldn't use them them then.

(I will though! More for me!)

**metapuff** · 08-03-2009, 09:58 PM

thanks for the help. i went back to the site i found the info on. a blog called "wombat's world"

one of their poster's emailed lipton and that was the reply from Lipton. here is the full email

Here's the response from Lipton:

Hi Kathryn,

Thank you for writing.

The translucent Pyramid tea bag is made of PET, the same food grade
material clear water and juice bottles are made of. As with any plastic, it would not be considered biodegradable. PET is completely safe and is 100% recyclable within the plastics waste stream.

We hope that this information is helpful.

Your friends at Lipton

don't have permission to post links yet but you can figure it out

http :// katewombat.blogspot.com/2006/09/coming-to-landfill-near-you . html

**Robert** · 08-03-2009, 10:03 PM

it's called TBF and if u keep it wet it dosn't burn.

www.gitc21.net - CORESHtech Co., Ltd. - Nylon Mesh for Pyramid Tea Bag

**drdave** · 08-03-2009, 10:07 PM

I tried various things but it seems Fluval is working the best for me at the moment in my M-series units. You can get a 6 pack of the stuff from Petco for around 8 bucks. As little of the stuff it takes to pack a cartridge this should last years. There are several diffrent versions of this stuff, you want to get the "water polishing pads" version.

**metapuff** · 08-03-2009, 10:18 PM

thanks for the link to the "tbf" material. i believe that may be used for some brands other than lipton.

i just got off the phone with a Lipton csr reached at:

Thank you for visiting the Lipton® Tea web site.
If you would like to speak to a live representative
please call us at: 1-888-LiptonT (1-888-547-8668),
Monday - Friday, 8:30a.m. - 6:00p.m. EST.

asked them what their pyramid bags were made of and she quoted the above statement verbatim.

" The translucent Pyramid tea bag is made of PET, the same food grade
material clear water and juice bottles are made of. As with any plastic, it would not be considered biodegradable. PET is completely safe and is 100% recyclable within the plastics waste stream."

if you don't believe me try it yourself.

are people actually using the "tbf" material or one bought off the shelf by lipton (pet)?

don't shoot the messenger. i love vaping and want to do it safely.

**metapuff** · 08-03-2009, 10:20 PM

did i say safely? i guess i meant as safely as i can. heh.

**metapuff** · 08-03-2009, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Robert

it's called TBF and if u keep it wet it dosn't burn. link edited out

i just emailed this korean company. we'll see what the response is.
i searched wiki for "tbf" and nothing comes up.
maybe that's an abbreviation for the product, first thing that comes to mind is tbf= tea bag filter. heh.

**Stehle** · 08-04-2009, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by metapuff

i just emailed this korean company. we'll see what the response is.
i searched wiki for "tbf" and nothing comes up.
maybe that's an abbreviation for the product, first thing that comes to mind is tbf= tea bag filter. heh.

It sounds like the folks at Lipton may want to keep the story straight, perhaps a bit more verbatim than I'm use to.

Hmm... lets say I'm a tea competitor and ask the big leading tea giant (Lipton) what their patented material is made out of... maybe write a letter yea... NO wait a phone call, yea more personal that way.. more "consumerish" yea..yea..that's the ticket!

Now given the above scenario how would you answer a query like that?

Your probably right though, it probably is just a paranoid scenario, a big company like that wouldn't "lie" to us for the sake of their profits. They're not even a big tobacco company.

I said before, in numerous posts and given what I've seen with my own eyes and tasted its an acceptable risk for me!

We all know where poly fill and Fluval poly stuff that we inhale into our lungs occasionally (Its happened to me with all the polys too!), comes from right?

Yup... from Wal-Mart.

Didn't we all use to smoke analogs? 'nuff said.

Thanks!

**sircurmudgeon** · 08-07-2009, 05:58 AM

Found this at a fire-dancing/spinning site that sells wicks. Dunno how much it helps the ideas, but it might?

Kevlar

Kevlar is a class of materials called Aramids and is known for its strength and toughness. According to DuPont, it is 5 times stronger than steel. One of it's best known uses is for bullet proof vest. This makes Kevlar ideal for even the most demanding wick applications. Kevlar is is typically listed as having a working temperature of 600F / 351C. While this is lower than the flame temperature on fire tools, the evaporation of the fuel on the wicks tends to cool the wick to a range that the Kevlar can withstand. Over time, the kevlar will disintegrated from the heat. Putting your tools out before all the fuel has evaporated will greatly extend your wicks.
Pure Kevlar is not commonly used for wick. Usually wick is woven from yarn that has kevlar on the outside and fiberglass as the core. This reduces the price, because Kevlar is very expensive, and takes advantage of Fiberglass's higher heat resistance. This is the standard on fire performance wicks and can be seen on most almost all our tools. When a wick gets old, it will often appear white in color. This is because the kevlar has burnt off and the fiberglass is showing through. This is an indication that the wick is reaching the end of its life.
Nomex

Nomex is also in the Aramid class. Nomex has a little more heat resistance then kevlar but is not nearly as strong. Nomex is commonly used for high temperature clothing, and can be useful as a wick in some special situations. Nomex is available as a highly absorbent felt. This makes it ideal as an absorbent layer under kevlar wicking. We uses it to wrap our swords before covering them with a Kevlar wicking. We have found that this has increased the burn times on our swords up to 3 times what a layer of Kevlar wicking alone provided. While nomex is not extremely strong, it will not fray if struck like fiberglass will. It's is almost as expensive as Kevlar and is hard to distinguish from cotton in appearance and feel.

They also had stuff about cotton, fiberglass and terry cloth, but we know those won't work already. My idea after reading this was to put kevlar down by the atty and something else behind it to hold juice. No idea how this would play out. Looking into what kevlar gives off when heated at present. Will post back if I find anything useful.