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    Quote Originally Posted by djsvapour View Post
    I don't get it.

    Many vapers own multiple tanks over 2ml. They can either rebuild or use a coil from an evod or whatever.

    Do I have to take my collection to the police station? .. Protank amnesty?
    haha, i was thinking the same thing earlier... handing over your clearos and RBAs down the local nick.

    Imagine getting stopped by the police who see you vaping with something over 2ml and then asking you to hand it over!
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    Presumably the ban on liquid flavours would be to prevent kids getting into it. The age old 'wont somebody please think of the children' argument is endlessly dredged up.

    Its absolutely crazy, if the argument is that we dont want to be encouraging kids to smoke and we dont want to encourage new smokers to start vaping and then move on to smoking, why on earth is the only flavour likely to be allowed tobacco flavour!!! Of all the possible flavours that could have been chosen!!
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    I'm not sure if tobacco is included in the 'all flavours' bit, maybe only unflavoured will be available. ..I can vape ice cream syrup in my unflavoured, right?

    lol, surely they can't ban all the individual items, logically the only thing they could control is the nicotine, although I've seen posts on here from members living with a blanket ban already in place :-(

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    Cancer death is horrible. Horrible. Still hard to wrap my head around the money over harm reduction mentality. It seems too many people care about riches at the expense of other's extreme suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroclue View Post


    All flavoured nic liquid including menthol will be banned (zero nic liquid and flavours are not included).

    Quote Originally Posted by Codz View Post
    Unless i got into DIY / started hoarding and freezing / could pick up black market liquid this would be the end of my vaping days.
    I assume unflavoured won't be banned? I mix my own juice anyway, which I'd have to do differently (wouldn't be able to get 72mg), but most of the flavours used are also used in cooking, and there is no way they can stop you getting that and putting a few drops in your unflavoured.

    It still amazes me that they use the arguement about reglamourizing smoking... Surely there must be some MPs, or MPs that know someone who has quit smoking in favour of e cigs, who can tell them what a ridiculous idea this is. "I'm fed up of this delicious [insert favourite juice] flavour, I'm going to go lick this ash tray instead." ..... Said absolutely no one. (And that's just about flavour, not to mention the health or cost benefits)
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamfoul View Post
    I assume unflavoured won't be banned? I mix my own juice anyway, which I'd have to do differently (wouldn't be able to get 72mg), but most of the flavours used are also used in cooking, and there is no way they can stop you getting that and putting a few drops in your unflavoured.

    It still amazes me that they use the arguement about reglamourizing smoking... Surely there must be some MPs, or MPs that know someone who has quit smoking in favour of e cigs, who can tell them what a ridiculous idea this is. "I'm fed up of this delicious [insert favourite juice] flavour, I'm going to go lick this ash tray instead." ..... Said absolutely no one. (And that's just about flavour, not to mention the health or cost benefits)
    I hope you are right about the continued availability of unflavoured nic liquid, but i have a feeling that the intention is to prohibit the sale of any kind of liquid other than that which comes in pre-filled, unrefillable cartos, which will be a real shame. If the argument is based on glamourizing smoking, and keeping kids away from it, then surely flavoured liquid could still be available, if only through licensed retailers selling licensed products (i.e - pharmacies). They are going to take more care not to sell to under 18s than your average corner shop.

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    I love the whole quote about a tobacco free Europe, if that's what they're pushing towards why are they trying to ban ecigs so damned hard.

    Effing big pharma and tobacco, makes me sick to my stomach.

    Time to start hoarding! Need several lifetime's worth of liquid components and some flavour essences

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    Quote Originally Posted by Codz View Post
    I hope you are right about the continued availability of unflavoured nic liquid, but i have a feeling that the intention is to prohibit the sale of any kind of liquid other than that which comes in pre-filled, unrefillable cartos, which will be a real shame. If the argument is based on glamourizing smoking, and keeping kids away from it, then surely flavoured liquid could still be available, if only through licensed retailers selling licensed products (i.e - pharmacies). They are going to take more care not to sell to under 18s than your average corner shop.
    It's not to be banned Refill Liquid can be sold in containers which are Child and Tamper proof up to 10ml and no stronger than 20mg/ml.

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    The regulations/restrictions are very unclear atm, no doubt they are still trying to figure out the best way to get their hands on our money if we are no longer buying cigs.

    If they were truly thinking of future generations they would be testing ecigs/doing research and looking at the possibility of phasing out tobacco instead.

    We are proof that quitting tobacco can be (easily) achieved and health benefits are being reported by users. Even if they are not 100% safe, they are still safer than tobacco cigarettes/products.

    There are people fighting to get a ban and people fighting against it, our numbers are growing and not only uses but businesses too, we are the ones with something to fight for. All we can do is try to overwhelm them and stomp out the misinformation. It's going to come down to the right voices in the right places and of course the side of things.

    I still can't see how they can ban mods, flavours and diy etc, by themselves they contain no nicotine, devices can be put together at home. Hopefully they are just trying to pacify the 'against' mob and we won't be affected too badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroclue View Post
    I still can't see how they can ban mods, flavours and diy etc, by themselves they contain no nicotine, devices can be put together at home. Hopefully they are just trying to pacify the 'against' mob and we won't be affected too badly.
    The same way they can ban the various components of a Gun. Because it's primary use is for performing an activity they seek to regulate.

    Batteries will likely not be regulated, batteries with eg0,501,808 adapters on likely will be. The real issue is the 20mg/ml limit on Nicotine sales. I'm fine under that (i vape at 10-12) but I'm well aware of vapers out there who wouldn't have made the switch without their 36's and 24s.
    E-Cigs are NOT medical devices, you aren't being given a dose in order to TREAT something. You are self dosing, like with alcohol, and controling that yourself. It's hard to OD with an e-cig and the OD on a e-cig is dizziness...

    Fark this bill, fark this vote.

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