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    It seems that regulations & restrictions have been agreed by the EU Commission;

    Parliament adopts new EU tobacco rules | European Voice

    There's more about it on another thread here on ECF;

    TPD vote: Europe has fallen - Big Money has triumphed

    Not a good day for vaping.

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    Very bad news. Not the 100% killer blow, but a nasty shot to many.
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    Hmm Wonder what regulation means in the long run, and if there will be a long warning before implementation. It's as cloudy as I would expect and obviously thought out by people who have done no research.

    So anything higher than a 20mg/ml will be banned? Only a mention of carts but not tanks. Regulated as medicines, so prescriptions for crappy carts or OTC? I for one will certainly live as an outlaw if I have to. I've tried the 'acceptable' Nicorette inhalator and it was a terrible experience I never wish to repeat.

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    Sad. And a mention of regulating online sales as well. Sad indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky1384 View Post
    Hmm Wonder what regulation means in the long run, and if there will be a long warning before implementation. It's as cloudy as I would expect and obviously thought out by people who have done no research.

    So anything higher than a 20mg/ml will be banned? Only a mention of carts but not tanks. Regulated as medicines, so prescriptions for crappy carts or OTC? I for one will certainly live as an outlaw if I have to. I've tried the 'acceptable' Nicorette inhalator and it was a terrible experience I never wish to repeat.
    Judging from the article i posted a link to the 'no cartridges over 2ml' is likely to include anything over 2ml, but they also say no refillable cartridges, which will mean no refillable anything, and if you cant get refills then it's almost certain to mean juice will no longer be available either. You can bet that it will be BT or pharma companies that will be the only players left in the market (smaller ecig companies will probably not be able to afford to keep running or will get swallowed up by BT & pharma). When you look at the prices of the crappy cig-a-likes available now you can guarantee they will go up even without the inevitable high taxation that will be added, and it wouldnt suprise me in the least to see the effective cost of vaping become more expensive than analogs.

    Basically, we will be left with non-refillable cartos up to 2ml or black market / home made options or hoarding supplies before any of this happens IF it happens. I must admit i'm becoming less optimistic about it all now.

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    Just gone through the links,

    Cigarettes will be sold only in packs of 20 (minimum).
    Roll your own tobacco in 30g pouch (minimum).
    Phase out menthol cigarettes, to be banned.

    Now the important bit,
    Cig a likes will still be available.
    Pre filled cartridges will still be available.
    Refillable cartridges will still be available, but hold a maximum of 2ml. Individual designs/products will not be banned unless they are proven to be unsafe.


    "Refillable cartridges will not be banned. However member states can ban specific types of cartridges, if the ban can be justified by safety concerns."


    Liquid can only contain 20mg nic (maximum)
    All flavoured nic liquid including menthol will be banned (zero nic liquid and flavours are not included).

    EUROPA - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Questions & Answers: New rules for tobacco products

    Is that right?
    All it says is regulations/restrictions will be put in place, does anyone have any links to further info?
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    I don't get it.

    Many vapers own multiple tanks over 2ml. They can either rebuild or use a coil from an evod or whatever.

    Do I have to take my collection to the police station? .. Protank amnesty?
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    I don't get it either :-/

    SALES will be banned, you can GIVE me your collection though :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroclue View Post
    All flavoured nic liquid including menthol will be banned (zero nic liquid and flavours are not included).
    Unless i got into DIY / started hoarding and freezing / could pick up black market liquid this would be the end of my vaping days.

    It doesnt really matter what the govt. says - we all know it's about money, not our health and we all know that the world of big business cares far more about than it does about peoples lives. Lets face it, if lives were more important they could have stopped producing cigarettes any time.

    I'm sure we will soon be seeing the results of various clinical trials telling us all about the hidden dangers of ecigs soon enough (i know there are already a few floating around). Even if it's a govt. backed study the publised results cant be trusted. These trials and test have to be funded and whoever they are funded by has an agenda so the results simply further that agenda. That works both ways too... if a group of ecig producing companies got together and funded trials we already know what to expect from the results, but then we are already pretty damned sure that ecigs are better for us than analogs.

    I truly hope that it spawns a massive black market trade that spirals out of control if these regulations come to be.

    I dont agree with so much of what UKIP have to say for themselves, but i think i may have overlook their other policies and vote for them next time around simply because of this situation. I hope every vaper does the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroclue View Post

    SALES will be banned, you can GIVE me your collection though :-)
    LOL

    To be honest, up until today I'd have given any vaping bod in the street a Protank from my collection.

    Now I'm not so sure. I have enough wick and wire to rebuild until 2018 at least.
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