Seriously!

[kristin]

OK, my husband is needing something with more throat hit and to be able to get e really good menthol flavor. I'm shopping for something else to try for him. I'm happy with the 510 vapor, Nhale liquid and throat hit, but it does need to be constantly topped off.

Jen talks about the flavor, but wouldn't that be more the juice and less the device? Doesn't it get expensive having to buy cartomizers all of the time? I've been using the same two attys and bottle of Nhale for over 2 weeks now - I couldn't see having to buy cartomizers all of the time and only getting 3 or so refills?

Are the cartomizers filled with Nobacco juice or prefilled at the factory?

And what makes the VK function any differently than the 510? Bigger battery? Larger carts? What?

Sorry for all the questions, but it's nice to have someone who has both and maybe can describe the difference?

[PhoenixRising]

I can't answer all of your questions but I will chime in with what I do know (I also have a 510 and a VK).

Cartomizer expense: I have refilled the one I am using right now probably 8 times, and I am seeing no reason to quit. As long as you don't burn them out (dry vape just kills these just like it does a 510 atty) you should be fine refilling them. I think KC is the master at this and will come along shortly (if not before I finish my own post).

Flavor: The juice in the ones from Steve are great, but I have also refilled with Nhaler juice (the same stuff I used in my 510) and yes there is a significant flavor difference. It is more "real" in the cartomizer. Whatever the flavor is, it comes out more with the cartomizer verses my 510 carts. I am vaping a refilled pineapple right now with a mix of Nhaler Pear Lung and Peach regular. Just for giggles, I refilled a 510 cart to compare them side by side, and the VK just stomped the life out of my 510. Add to this the fact that when I do refill my cartomizer it lasts significantly longer than a 510 cart.

The battery is definitely bigger - it is the size of a 901 battery. In fact you can charge the 901s in the PCC made for VKs/808s, the passthroughs are also interchangeable. However, all my VK and 808 batteries outlast my 901s (granted that could be a manufacturer thing since my 901s came from yet another vendor). The carts are also bigger, closer to teh size of an 801 but then again these include the atomizer. The cart filler is similar in size to 510/901 filler but it is not polyfill. Honestly, I don't know what it is but it wicks better and holds more than any of my other carts including my 801. The 801 technically hold more drops but the wicking process tends to leave most of my juice near the mouthpiece making it unuseable for me.

I am sure Steve or KC will help with the more technical aspects!

[kristin]

Thanks!

I was a little confused by Jen's comment that the draw was "lighter." Does that mean less vapor or throat hit or that it's easier to draw than a 510? Do you know what that means?

[PhoenixRising]

2 actually! I spent another $150 on one I saw in a Tobacco Shop. Worth it though because it sparked my interest and I found this board.

And the 510, well, let's just say I appreciate the VK so much more having used it. I have packed most of it away neatly in case of emergency (vaping prohibition lol) and left some out to lend out to people who just want to give vaping a try for an evening. Eventually though, I will have to buy extra parts and chargers because the VK is just that much better IMO.

And you girly! You were one of the people who made me want to give VK a try! I can't thank you enough for that! {{{hugs}}}

I am the same - first one was a Smoke Everywhere. It was and remains a serious POS. However, like you, it was my gateway PV! While looking for carts for it, I found this place! Wooohooo! Money well spent I say!

I keep my 510 around too for that reason as well, along with my 801, my 901, and my lady pipe! LMAO

So glad I could be of service. I love my VK and I knew you would too! No get on the cartomizers girlie, there are new flavors to be had!

[dohsma]

OK, my husband is needing something with more throat hit and to be able to get e really good menthol flavor. I'm shopping for something else to try for him. I'm happy with the 510 vapor, Nhale liquid and throat hit, but it does need to be constantly topped off.

Jen talks about the flavor, but wouldn't that be more the juice and less the device? Doesn't it get expensive having to by cartomizers all of the time? I've been using the same two attys and bottle of Nhale for over 2 weeks now - I couldn't see having to buy cartomizers all of the time and only getting 3 or so refills?

Are the cartomizers filled with Nobacco juice or prefilled at the factory?

And what makes the VK function any differently than the 510? Bigger battery? Larger carts? What?

Sorry for all the questions, but it's nice to have someone who has both and maybe can describe the difference?

Hey Kristin,

I can try to answer some of your question. For whatever reason the flavor of cartomizers almost always beats flavor from a 3 piece for me. The juice that Steve is selling right now is the same juice that is used in cartomizers, but even still, it tastes better from the cartomizer. The throat is also excellent, better than any of the stock units that I have used (I don't have a ton of experience with the 510, but I have used 401's, 901's, and 801's extensively). It does have a bigger battery. I vape pretty heavy, and I usually get at least 4 hours out of my VK batteries. If I missed any questions, please let me know.

BTW, I read your article and dugg it as well. I thought it was outstanding. Saw it posted a week or two ago in a different place.

[dohsma]

Thanks!

I was a little confused by Jen's comment that the draw was "lighter." Does that mean less vapor or throat hit or that it's easier to draw than a 510? Do you know what that means?

The "lighter draw" means that you don't have to suck as hard on it. Long slow drags will give you plenty of vapor, and killer throat hit.

[kristin]

Also, how well do the VK juices work in the 510? I'm interested in some of those flavors!

And the menthol? Anyone compare that to others? Believe it or not, the Nhale menthol is too weak for him. (I personally dislike any menthol I've tasted.)

Right now he's mixing liberty juice and nhaler menthols.

[PhoenixRising]

Thanks!

I was a little confused by Jen's comment that the draw was "lighter." Does that mean less vapor or throat hit or that it's easier to draw than a 510? Do you know what that means?

Easier to puff on and more airy if that makes sense? There are new manual batteries that I have not tried yet for the VK, but with my manual 510 even with the button I have to pull hard to inhale. We these it is closer to breathing in with your lips sealed around the device. Not sure if I described that well, but I hope it makes some semblance of sense. Even with the automatic batteries, the VK is less work for greater payoff (and more consistent).

I forgot to mention one of my favorite features and this question made me think of it. It does not overheat nearly as quickly as my 510. With my 510 I can get 2-3 great puffs before I need to put it down to let the atty cool. And just now I tested my VK (all to answer your question - see how altruistic I am) and it took 6 for it to even warm up enough to notice. I would test further, but me thinks I am nic drunk at the moment...

[dohsma]

Also, how well do the VK juices work in the 510? I'm interested in some of those flavors!

And the menthol? Anyone compare that to others? Believe it or not, the Nhale menthol is too weak for him. (I personally dislike any menthol I've tasted.)

Right now he's mixing liberty juice and nhaler menthols.

The VK juice will work well with any other PV. I haven't tried the new menthol juice that we just got, but the newest menthol cartomizers are VERY strong menthol flavor.

[~Gazoo~]

The VK juice will work well with any other PV. I haven't tried the new menthol juice that we just got, but the newest menthol cartomizers are VERY strong menthol flavor.

LOL.....yes they are.