So, you all quitting?

[DisMan]

Disman,

I agree that there needs to be a internationally recognized and enforced set of standards on the devices, parts, and juice. Where I disagree with you is that it needs to be the FDA. The FDA has proven that they only wish to malign this product by the recent release of their report and calling the device unsafe without comparing them to the NRT's and/or Tobacco Cigarettes. This was nothing more than selective dissemination of information with the purpose of maligning our vice. Why would they do that? Who is in a position of losing billions of dollars on the tax and sales because of these devices? The US Government, The State Governments, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharma all lose, and since the FDA is an arm of the US Government there is a definite conflict of interest in this case. This is all about the all mighty dollar and a great loss in revenue there of. I sincerely hope that the government loses out on this deal and all of the smoke nazi's get one of their favorite vices taxed to oblivion and be labeled pariahs of society like we have been. That would be an ironic justice...

Taxation is used to discourage certain behavior within a civilization. (Economics 101 and thousands of examples throughout our lifetime.)

Let's talk more when there is discussion on taxing e-cigs. As it stands now, they are saying there is a danger. Would you feel different if the American Cancer Society said there was a danger? How about some other non-profit organization?

[Sharky]

The American Cancer Society, The American Lung Association, etc are all viral anti smoking of any kind organizations. They are also fully behind the FDA in this instance. We have one report from the FDA and a very incomplete one at that. We have no idea what the real truth is, other than that there are other studies like the New Zealand study that says vaping is much safer than ecigs. Notice I said SAFER, not safe. My mentioning taxes had nothing to do with taxing vaping. It was to demonstrate why the FDA is in a conflict of interest in this case. But you can count on one thing. If these devices do get accepted then they will also be taxed into oblivion like tobacco cigarettes. Count on it...

We can chat more at the next meet buddy. I enjoy a good debate.

[Michelle M]

Would you feel different if the American Cancer Society said there was a danger? How about some other non-profit organization?

Actually, I don't think I'd feel differently. The main reason is that no matter how harmless e-cigs (or any other synthetic/smoking substitute) may ultimately be proven to be, it doesn't matter. That's because these groups are such zealots that it isn't about harm, it's about they don't want you smoking. Period. They are unable to be objective in their quest to rid the world of smokers.

I would support a coalition (NOT the FDA) that sets guidelines and standards for e-cigarettes.

[Sharky]

Actually, I don't think I'd feel differently. The main reason is that no matter how harmless e-cigs (or any other synthetic/smoking substitute) may ultimately be proven to be, it doesn't matter. That's because these groups are such zealots that it isn't about harm, it's about they don't want you smoking. Period. They are unable to be objective in their quest to rid the world of smokers.

I would support a coalition (NOT the FDA) that sets guidelines and standards for e-cigarettes.

I like your way of thinking

[DisMan]

Actually, I don't think I'd feel differently. The main reason is that no matter how harmless e-cigs (or any other synthetic/smoking substitute) may ultimately be proven to be, it doesn't matter. That's because these groups are such zealots that it isn't about harm, it's about they don't want you smoking. Period. They are unable to be objective in their quest to rid the world of smokers.

I would support a coalition (NOT the FDA) that sets guidelines and standards for e-cigarettes.

Everything is starting to boil down to "I don't like you doing that." I can't argue that. What I do like is that many non-smokers are chiming in with "I can't smell it. It doesn't bother me. So who cares?"

I've met many these days that go "Wow, you can smoke without bothering me? Have at it!"

Hopefully, that attitude will transcend the health studies. After all, caffeine and coffee are still well accepted.

[desrtrat]

I would quit but...I'm not a quitter.

Having said that, for me, life is about quality, not quantity. I enjoyed smoking analogs but it was the fact that I couldn't breathe at night without wheezing that made me make a change. Not to mention the cost was getting redonkulous. The way I figure it, I could eat right, exercise, live a healthy lifestyle (and probably hate every minute of it denying myself all the things that make life fun) and either die anyway, or live to be old enough that I didn't WANT to live anymore. I mean, let's face it, is there any more fun once the adult diapers go on?? Please just shoot me when that happens....

[Munson]

All the FDA news has got my blood boiling. I really can't stand it. I have been thinking over and over about what can be done to stop it. The truth is that we simply need more supporters. I have been telling everyone I know about e cigs... Many of them have converted and many of them have become "preachers for the cause" like myself. What needs to happen is THE TRUTH!

No, I don't want unnecessary chemicals in my juice. Yes, I would like to know 100% that smoking is safer than regular cigarettes (which I am POSITIVE can be proven). I would go so far as to say I am pretty certain a HEALTHY juice could be manufactured. The problem is, nobody is listening.

I think it is high time we start "taxing" ourselves to fund our own independent research. Looking at the numbers, ecigs tend to have anywhere from 100% to 500% markup. Why don't the suppliers all agree to pay X% of their sales to ecig research?

If noone else wants to, hell, I'd do it. At least it would be a step in the right direction. People are already donating to the ECA but where does the money go? I would much rather see ecig companies putting 20% into research than offering me a 20% coupon code... Especially now...

[Munson]

Oh, and I will NOT quit !

[DisMan]

Did you hear about the neat fat tax they're wanting to add to junk food?

After the fat tax, I think we'll start taxing bottled water...maybe sofa's and chairs will be after that...after all, sitting is the number reason why people get fat.

[Sharky]

Did you hear about the neat fat tax they're wanting to add to junk food?

After the fat tax, I think we'll start taxing bottled water...maybe sofa's and chairs will be after that...after all, sitting is the number reason why people get fat.

And I am going to jam that fact in every smoke nazi's ass that looks at me cross eyed while I am vaping. Look what you started ...... Now it's your turn to take in the ass and the madder they get the harder I will laugh.