Beta Carboline MAOIs - towards a more effective e-liquid

tceight;2518206 said:

long time finding the time to write, but I have been keeping up with the experiments.
long story and a lot of mess short...

"Don't make it harder than it has to be"
The more steps, and stronger the acids/bases the better efficiency, but I was surprised at just how little was required to get something useful, and all for less than 10$. This brings a 'sense' of what WTA can do, for the masses not fortunate enough to experience DVAP's high octane stuff.


1. basify the tobacco. Use the sodium carbonate solution, and 1ml per gram.

I've tried leaving this step out, and did get 'something' but not much. At first, I was using very little water, and then had to try to get the oil back with the 'interface' method, but I think that method cost alkaloids due to diffusion.(rate was too slow). With a very tall column to increase the pressure, this could still work, but this is about simplicity.

2. add mineral oil, and let it soak for a few days

Not sure how long is 'enough'... it's always a few days before I ever get back to it. No heating is required. The less mineral oil you use, the higher concentration you will end up with. I've even squeezed out the tobacco, and added fresh tobacco to try to increase the concentration, but it doesn't seem to help much. Simple rule of thumb I use is about 1ml per gram.

3. squeeze out the tobacco, and filter oil.

if you get some water with it, just discard the water layer. An icing gun works well for squeezing with no mess.

4. acidify some distilled water by adding citric acid (vitamin C tablets) until no more will dissolve. Add this at 1/5 the volume of oil you have, shake and let settle for an hour. extract the water and keep it.

5. add equal volume of vg to the oil shake and let settle. extract the VG, and add to the water.
While I prefer PG, I've given up on trying to use it in this method, because of the amount of water used, thins the PG too much to be vapable.

6. Let this settle for a day, and using a syringe carefully extract the bottom portion of the liquid, leaving the surface 'layer' and a good amount of the vg behind. This is to ensure you don't carry any mineral oil over.


This is a compendium of different techniques I've tried that seems the best balance between simplicity and effectivness. There are some obvious improvements in tools and chemicals that can be applied by one with the knowledge and skills.

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