what mg do YOU vape??

mosspa;15399201 said:

Bikenstein;15398679 said:

You did say nicotine was safe (seriously).

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Yes I did, and I still do in light of the lack of evicence that it isn't

Your suggestions are to vape at 36 -48 mg comparable to the nicotine in cigs.

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Yes, I did. I also started, way back in some other thread, that I arrived at 48mg/ml because the concentration was close to the Vuse ciglikes that I started with. I've learned a lot about boiling nicotine over the past few months. The reason for the current suggestion is that it appears to be consistent with current information from empirical studies on e-cigarette types and comparison of them to analog cigarettes.

Then you say you just started this research and know no more than anyone else but feel you are qualified because of your years of experience in the science of epidemiology.

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No, that's not what I said, and appears to be a conjunction of several statements I made, not necessarily in the exact contest. Yes, I have just started to plan a research strategy now that I know I have the equipment at my disposal to actually get it started. Second, as to my statement about 'how little I know', which was aimed at the elucidation of the human LD50 for nicotine which is all over the place and is never more than casually estimated (as far as I could find). So, yes, I know as little as anybody else regarding the actual human LD50 of nicotine. If you must know, I do not really consider epidemiology an empirical science. What I have is experience in evaluating epidemiology studies, and none of those suggest that nicotine is a threat.

You have no idea how people vape ,new ones nor any you are recommending do this, or what gear they use.

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Yes, I guess that may be true. I'm not entirely clueless, however. I do know a number of people who have been vaping for over a year. Some are students, some are friends. I know how they vape. You're correct, my guesses about how beginners vape is just that, are just that, guesses. I can tell you from my recent experiences in vape stores around here, the information people are getting when they walk in from off the street with nothing more than a long smoking habit they want to eradicate is what is really irresponsible. People would be much better off getting useful information from a department store mannequin.

You say you are not a vaper

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When did I say anything even resembling that? I don't live my day in vapor clouds, if that's what you mean. But, as I explained in a recent answer to AndeiaD, I think I'm starting to approach my vaping much more like I did my smoking. I've become a lot less regimented than I was, and my nicotine consumption, in terms of how many ml I vape has increased to well over 1 ml/day.

and your student's are virgin vapers.

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Some are, and some are very experienced vapors. My remarks about the virgins was a comment made directly at people here who are concerned with the concentration of nicotine I'm using and recommending. My point probably could have been made better, but my observations are that the virgin vapers tolerate my 4.57% juice very well. They exhibit the kinds of responses one might anticipate in that they don't take giant hits and bellow roomfuls of clouds with it, but they don't start puking, either. My ex-smoker non-virgin vapers vape less than 24m.mg/ml and don't seem to understand how me and the other virgins can vape at my concentration. I'm starting to think that much of this may be part of another psychological variable associated with people who are vaping to quit smoking.

Do you really think you are doing people a service by wandering these forums and tellin them to do more nicotine without tellin them that you do not consistently vape all day as they do and at much lower wattage.

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When did I do that? Lately, since I'm now kind of standardized, I do say that I use an EVOD at 3.5V with a 1.8 Ohm coil. I even posted the amperage and wattage at least once. Early on I did mention a few times that I was dragging 5-10 times and consuming overall less than 1 ml/day. Both my frequency and length of vaping periods has increased as of late. As I said on numerous occasions, I'm still getting used to this. I have mo own learning curve, and that anything except I haven't had a problem with the nicotine is probably unique to me.

That makes your consumption of nicotine less than a 6mg vapor that chain vapes all day.

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Well, I don't know because as you pointed out, I really don't know how people actually vape. It does seemt to be a bit extreme for someone to be vaping in excess of 8ml of juice a day, though. However, say it is true.... What difference does it make?. Remember, for me nicotine intake maximization without negative consequences is my ultimate goal. I'm not trying to break a bad habit or free myself from a drug that is apparently so misunderstood that it saddens me. Much of what is known, or assumed, about the cognitive benefits of nicotine are based on epidemiology involving smokers. I found a scientific paper that personally validates my decision to continue to use 45mg/ml+, so why would I do anything differently than I am doing now? Does it really matter, from your standpoint, whether I'm inhaling nicotine at a greater concentration for less time than other vapers? I doubt it. However, from my viewpoint, it might. If the actual delivery of nicotine in smokers is really equivalent to about 50mg/ml vaping, wouldn't it make sense that I would vape at the concentration I am if I was trying to replicate wagt appears to be a positive effect of smoking cigarettes?

What really bothers me is that you haven't even been thorough enough to even ascertain that your 50mg nicotine is within it's specifications.

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You're correct, and because you suggested that to me, previously I will do it as soon as the test kit I ordered gets here. I'm sorry for trusting what people say is in the bottle of juice I'm purchasing. However, I have sampled two batches of MFS 48mg/ml unflavored 75/25 stock juice as well as a couple flavors of MFS flavored juice at 48mg/ml in 80/20. The phenomenology is the same. Otherwise, the conclusion I would need to draw is that some or all all MFS products are mislabeled and I really have to test them to make sure that the labels are correct. This really never occurred to me, so shoot me.

I'm interested in research on this if done correctly and thoroughly but I'm not going to accept anyone's "trust me statement" as fact, regardless of their credentials. I agree that nicotine is safe in "sub toxic" doses as is anything is safe in sub toxic doses. You're welcome for the suggestion and good luck

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Well, when I get around to actually doing the research that I feel needs to be done, it will be interesting to see how hard it is to get published seeing that I'm planning on going about the actual data collection in a very unconventional way. I plan on feeding the sampling port of the FTIR with samples either directly from the mouths of humans after dragging, or in the breath exhalate after they have inhaled the vapor. At first, what I am aiming at is a qualitative assessment with enough precision to allow relative quantification..

Here is an excerpt from the email I sent the chemistry department

"I am interested in vapor phase analysis of organic and inorganic constituents of e-cigarette vapor inhalates and exhalates. Is there an FT-IR on campus that could be used for such work? I'm not as interested in precise quantitative measurement (yet) but in detection and determination of relative concentrations of potential contaminants (e.g., aldehydes, alcohols, metals, organic solvents, etc.). Right now I'm more concerned with "what's there?" than "how much is there?", and FT-IR would be the ideal analytical tool for such evaluations because of its inherent capability of directly analyzing vapor-phase samples."

They responded back that we do, indeed, have an FTIR and that they would like to participate in this research. I'm pretty sure I have several "customers" for thys research, but I can't really get into that right now.

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