Shipments being seized

[Tone]

After checking out the FDA website I have noticed that most of the recent shipments that are being seized by custom seem to a common
Denominator...... UPS

I attached the link

OASIS REFUSALS INDUSTRY 66

 

[eplanet]

mostly true...some DHL as well

 

[TDM]

After checking out the FDA website I have noticed that most of the recent shipments that are being seized by custom seem to a common
Denominator...... UPS

I attached the link

OASIS REFUSALS INDUSTRY 66

Personally what I DO NOT like is another common denominator!
FDA sample analysis: No
FDA record of private lab sample analysis: No
Charge(s): Unapproved

Unapproved WITHOUT any analysis!!

 

[gnsmith]

The key is how shipper is describing the product.
If you look at the shipper's description they either say something about e-cigarettes, nicotine, atomizer's for e-cigs, cartridges for e-cigs. if customs sees anything with those keywords in the description they will hold.

 

[lotus14]

Personally what I DO NOT like is another common denominator!
FDA sample analysis: No
FDA record of private lab sample analysis: No
Charge(s): Unapproved

Unapproved WITHOUT any analysis!!

The FDA doesn't need an analysis - the manufacturer's descriptions ("Electronic Cigarette, Nicotine cartridge") are enough for them. Especially once the bill gets through the senate - unless it is amended to allow e-cigs which IMHO is unlikely.

Maybe if the manufacturers and suppliers labeled the devices as "aromatic vaporizers" and the juice as "aromatherapy oils" or something we'd have a better chance.

 

[gnsmith]

Description wording is important. if the package would be marked electronic batteries which are not illegal then customs cannot detain it unless they have reasonable cause to believe that the package contains something different. If they believe the package contains something different than what is described. Then customs would have to obtain a search warrant from a judge or court to examine the contents of the package.
In the United States we have a law against illegal search and seizure.
If the description contains anything that's known to be banned or illegal that would be cause enough to deny entry into the United States without examining the contents of the package.
If the package contains no trigger words (words like nicotine,e-cigarettes) in the description and there is no reasonable cause to believe different, customs cannot detain the package legally.
And it's really embarrassing if you obtain a search warrant to examine the contents of the package and find out doesn't contain anything illegal. Lose a whole lot of points with the court and judge.

 

[ShimmyPrincess]

I got a package from David Yang yesterday....listed on the box was "gift" but was also sent USPS

 

[Sheamous]

Talked to a local supplier yesterday face to face and they mentioned how several small suppliers are either "done or one more seized shipment from out of business." He named a few, which from the state of their inventory it's not too see the effect. I talked about this in another thread, but I'm going to stay with the big suppliers for a while to aviod losing my merch. It also appears that the USPS is "losing" eCig shipments. I think in the DFW area where I'm at, something is going on down at the post office, I know of several different shipments disappearing in transit down here.

 

[taz3cat]

United States Mail or usps (EMS) is the only way to order anything. The rest of the carriers don't have as strict laws governing who can inspect a package. Only a US mail postal inspector can check a package after it leaves customs. Since these are not actually illegal I don't know why a postal inspector would bother. I maybe wrong but, I have not heard of a law passes against them.

 

[jesrf]

As a USPS employee I can say that you're right on the money. We still deliver cigarettes from other countries everyday, we don't open or inspect (only Postal Inspectors can do that, and theyre pretty busy).....

And, customs usually ignores USPS packages compared to UPS or DHL.

As for the poster who talked about Dallas/Fort Worth area, management in that district is notoriously bad, the packages will turn up, its unusual, but they are especially bad there at the top.....

United States Mail or usps (EMS) is the only way to order anything. The rest of the carriers don't have as strict laws governing who can inspect a package. Only a US mail postal inspector can check a package after it leaves customs. Since these are not actually illegal I don't know why a postal inspector would bother. I maybe wrong but, I have not heard of a law passes against them.

 

[gnsmith]

United States Mail or usps (EMS) is the only way to order anything. The rest of the carriers don't have as strict laws governing who can inspect a package. Only a US mail postal inspector can check a package after it leaves customs. Since these are not actually illegal I don't know why a postal inspector would bother. I maybe wrong but, I have not heard of a law passes against them.

Taz you are exactly right.

Once the package is in the hands of USPS only a US mail postal inspector can check its contents. I have had to obtain many of search warrants so that the US postal Inspector could open the package.

 

[Khandurian]

Check this one out. It was farther down the list...

Manufacturer FEI: 3003387535
Manufacturer Name: Lohmann Thereapie-Systeme AG
Manufacturer address line 1: Lohmann Str. 2
Manufacturer address line 2:
Manufacturer City: Andernach
Manufacturer Province/state:
Manufacturer Country: Germany
Product code: 66VDY99
Importers product description: NICOTIN-WAFER-SAMPLES
Refusal date: 09-APR-2009
FDA_District: NYK-DO
Entry/doc/line/sfx: UPS-4153625-9/1/1/
Carrier: UNITED PARCEL SERVICE
Bill of Lading:
FDA sample analysis: No
FDA record of private lab sample analysis: No
Charge(s): UNAPPROVED

Look at the product description!

 

[taz3cat]

Check this one out. It was farther down the list...

Manufacturer FEI: 3003387535
Manufacturer Name: Lohmann Thereapie-Systeme AG
Manufacturer address line 1: Lohmann Str. 2
Manufacturer address line 2:
Manufacturer City: Andernach
Manufacturer Province/state:
Manufacturer Country: Germany
Product code: 66VDY99
Importers product description: NICOTIN-WAFER-SAMPLES
Refusal date: 09-APR-2009
FDA_District: NYK-DO
Entry/doc/line/sfx: UPS-4153625-9/1/1/
Carrier: UNITED PARCEL SERVICE
Bill of Lading:
FDA sample analysis: No
FDA record of private lab sample analysis: No
Charge(s): UNAPPROVED

Look at the product description!

Wonder what nicotin-wafers are used for?

Nicotin cookies maybe?

 

[secretsquirrl]

Sorry guys, I'm new here to the forums. In fact, I ordered my first e-cig model yesterday from dietSmokes.com. I randomly found this thread and I'm not sure I follow.

I know that the FDA has given e-cigs good marks but why are the items being seized? Also are these items going to be replaced if they were somehow seized? To the best of my knowledge US hasn't jumped on the bandwagon to ban them just yet right?

 

[walkstheplanes]

If I just order atomizers from overseas, are they under risk of being seized (EMS)?

 

[Tone]

If I just order atomizers from overseas, are they under risk of being seized (EMS)?

the last time I ordered from China it was shipped EMS it came to me (in NY) via usps and I had no problems at all.

 

[gnsmith]

If I just order atomizers from overseas, are they under risk of being seized (EMS)?

Most of the distributors in China are marking the description vaguely on smaller orders. let's just say the description is in the gray area ( Example = electronic parts and other descriptions. Don't want to go into too much detail and give them the heads up on what is being marked) You should have no problem.

 

[gnsmith]

I know that the FDA has given e-cigs good marks but why are the items being seized?

secretsquirrl, the FDA is trying to stop e-cigs due to the nicotine. They are classified as a unapproved drug and the e-cigarette as a unapproved drug delivery device. IMO this is in tromped up technicality until they can find other ways to get control of the product.
If you read some of the posts and threads you'll find out there is many different opinions on why.
The most common opinion right now is money. ($$$ the tobacco industry, pharmaceutical industry, and governments position on how they can get a piece of the pie.)this is also my opinion.

 

[secretsquirrl]

secretsquirrl, the FDA is trying to stop e-cigs due to the nicotine. They are classified as a unapproved drug and the e-cigarette as a unapproved drug delivery device. IMO this is in tromped up technicality until they can find other ways to get control of the product.
If you read some of the posts and threads you'll find out there is many different opinions on why.
The most common opinion right now is money. ($$$ the tobacco industry, pharmaceutical industry, and governments position on how they can get a piece of the pie.)this is also my opinion.

Thanks for the clarification, I was under the impression that since it was unapproved, the status was still under debate and that there was no enforcement of any form of ban or seizure.

Strange how analogs(albeit expensive as hell) are still available just around the corner of my house at the gas station.

They better damn well outlaw cheeseburgers before they try to rid the US of nicotine.

 

[gnsmith]

Thanks for the clarification, I was under the impression that since it was unapproved, the status was still under debate and that there was no enforcement of any form of ban or seizure.

Strange how analogs(albeit expensive as hell) are still available just around the corner of my house at the gas station.

They better damn well outlaw cheeseburgers before they try to rid the US of nicotine.

The FDA does have the authority to ban any drug that is classified unapproved from entering our country until proper testing and requirements are met to satisfy the FDA's guidelines.
This could take years.
Now on the other hand if the Waxman bill is passed the FDA will gain further control. ( this could be bad news)
Right now the FDA is using what power they do have to control the product.

It kind of reminds me of the gangster days, when businesses had to pay for protection. (if you know what I mean)