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Someone needs to point out that this isn't smoking because there is no smoke!!! Most of us know how much nic we are getting because we spend a fortune on the juice. Many are making their own! How would they even enforce this. Note to self, Utah is officially off of the list of places to visit.
Yes and No
Can't argue with any of it really. There is no safe level, Analogue user know how much they consuming, Digital users don't know how much they consuming.
"There is no safe level of tobacco smoke. With tobacco cigarettes a user generally knows how much nicotine is being consumed. They know if they are a half-a-pack-a-day smoker. When it comes to an electronic cigarette, you just don't know. You just keep on smoking," Neville said.
I just vape till I fall over. When I wake up I vape more. Id say my Provari is a weapon. If I threw it at someone. Good point on the other things in analogs OP. I was about to post the same thing. What about the negs of cigs, how do u measure the other stuff we no longer inhale? Fact of the matter is that even smoking cigs I never knew how much nic I was getting. It was just me killing myself, and no one cared except my loved ones. Now dude has the nerve to say they where better? What a douche.
The ANTZ have smokers stereotyped: Low level of education, low SES (that's socioeconomic status in plain-speak), low IQ, plus rude, and uncouth.
The ANTZ believe that all the "smart" peeps quit smoking years and years ago. Those who kept on smoking must be too stupid to understand that the practice is hazardous. That's why they have "classes" for people who want to quit smoking.
However, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, e-cigarettes contain harmful levels of nicotine, a substance the agency classifies as a stimulant drug.
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- The electronic cigarette cartridges that were labeled as containing no nicotine had low levels of nicotine present in all cartridges tested, except one.
- Three different electronic cigarette cartridges with the same label were tested and each cartridge emitted a markedly different amount of nicotine with each puff. The nicotine levels per puff ranged from 26.8 to 43.2 mcg nicotine/100 mL puff.
- One high-nicotine cartridge delivered twice as much nicotine to users when the vapor from that electronic cigarette brand was inhaled than was delivered by a sample of the nicotine inhalation product (used as a control) approved by FDA for use as a smoking cessation aid.
Would these qualify as "dangerous levels"? According to Health New Zealand's Poster 5-11, Society for Research on Nicotine and Tobacco (SRNT) Dublin, April 30, 2009; updated 27 May
Nicotine delivery per puff: A 35 mL puff from the Ruyan® V8 delivers only 10% of the nicotine obtained from a similar puff of a Marlboro regular cigarette.
Notice that HNZ was working with a 35 mL puff, compared with the 100 mL puff used in the FDA's testing. Figure 2 in the NNZ document shows the e-cigarette delivering 9 or 10 micrograms per 35 mL puff, while the nicotine ranged from 48 to 103 micrograms per 35 mL puff for Marlboro Red.
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf
We need to compare equivalent-sized puffs to relate the FDA's report to the HNZ report. If we multiply the FDA's measurements by .35, we come up with values of 9.38 to 15.12--not significantly higher than the nicotine levels measured in a 35 mL puff by HNZ. And last time I looked, the range of 48 to 103 (smoke) is a whole bunch higher than a range of 9 to 15 (vapor).
If the FDA had measured the quantity of nicotine in 100 mL puffs of smoke from the same Marlboro cigarettes tested by HNZ, the range would be between 137.14 and 294.28 micrograms for the Marlboro.
You be the judge. Do any of the per-puff nicotine levels for e-cigarette vapor reported by the FDA exceed the levels you used to get from smoke?
So maybe the source of this "fact" is the actual FDA lab report? Let's look: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf
I did a search for "harmful levels" and got no hits.
Did a search for "harmful" and found this:
The Center is concerned that in addition to nicotine delivery, the vapor may also provide other potentially harmful volatile components.
The above sentence appears in the Background section where the researcher is describing what they were looking for in their tests. And even though the results shows that the FDA "DETECTED" nicotine in cartridges that were labeled as containing no nicotine, this is what the report states about "simulated use."
Nicotine was detected in both products for all cartridges containing low, medium and high levels of nicotine but was not observed in cartridges identified as containing no nicotine. Screening for the possible tobacco specific impurities cotinine, nicotine-N-oxide, nornicotine, anabasine and myosmine was negative. β-Nicotyrine was detected in all Njoy cartridges but was not detected in the Smoking Everywhere cartridges.
A subsequent evaluation of the FDA's test methods and report noted that β-Nicotyrine is not carcinogenic, nor is it toxic. So the bottom line is that when the FDA examined the vapor, they found nothing whatsoever that was harmful.
I am not a scientist. If a lay person can read and comprehend this stuff, what's holding back the scientists from learning the same information? Maybe they just don't want to know.
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2 Notice how they cleverly made it sound as if nicotine is the major ingredient, by listing it first and preceding it with the phrase "filled with."
2 I guess that the FDA figured they could get away with saying this, even though NJOY, the brand that I was using at the time, had all the health warnings that appear on FDA-approved nicotine product. (e.g., Nicotine is addictive, don't use if you are pregnant, may increase heart rate and BP, etc.) If anyone ever pointed that fact out, the FDA could just say, "We didn't name names. We just said 'these products.' We were talking about the other brand, the brand that doesn't have the warnings." Maybe they had their fingers crossed.
3 "Expressed concern that" and "could" --- the very epitome of a "definite maybe."
4 Translation: "Well we (the FDA) could not find any dangerous chemicals or dangerously high levels of nicotine -- but it could happen! We won't know until every single cartridge in the world has been tested."