Hands down the worst thing about this product is the damn name.
Huh??? Hit the wrong link, did you?
Hands down the worst thing about this product is the damn name.
I pretty much agree with all of that, which is why I said I take it on a case-by-case basis.I've thought this over a lot. Here's my take on it and what I do:
In a restaurant, for example. They either have a policy of no vaping, vaping, or no policy at all.
If their policy is no-vaping, I'll comply if it's posted, just like I complied with no-smoking signs that were posted before the a blanket law made them unnecessary. Absent a law banning vaping indoors, it's their obligation to make any prohibition known to me before I order my meal. Otherwise, they have lured me there under false pretenses and failed to inform me of the conditions of my visit.
Absent any indication that vaping isn't allowed, I will assume it is. If I'm informed after I've started vaping, I'll leave and let them know why.
If they have a policy allowing vaping, it does no good to ask permission, so it's a moot point.
If they have no policy and no indication one way or the other, I generally won't ask. If it's crowded, I may not vape at all. Or, I'll ask a manager/owner, NEVER staff. There's no upside for a server if they give permission, only a downside if management disagrees with that decision. Staff doesn't formulate policy and will likely take the safe route and say no. So, I will either ask someone in a position of authority, or I will vape openly, but not flagrantly. I will ensure that the server sees me vaping. They are then free to ignore it if no other customer complains. If it turns out that the management is against it, their ... is covered. They didn't say I could vape.
Unless you are in a position to influence the creation of a policy where none existed before, there is no upside to asking permission. There is no upside to asking permission from staff in any event. If there are complaints from other customers or management, staff won't go to bat to defend their decision. It's provisional anyway and how long it lasts depends on if anyone else in the building complains.
Are you sure?Some months ago, the FAA prohibited vaping on airplanes. I don't know if the regulation only applies to domestic flights or airlines and how it's enforced, who is responsible or how strictly it's enforced. I imagine it varies by airline. Technically, though, it's prohibited on domestic flights at least.
Huh??? Hit the wrong link, did you?
No, your signature explains that thought of mine.
I wouldn't stake my life or freedom on it, but I'm pretty sure it was ruled on a while back. I seem to remember having heard it from a reliable enough source that, when I heard it, I breathed a sigh of relief that I don't fly much. I could be wrong, but I'd do some research on it before I flew again. It would suck to be sneak vaping in the lavatory and then find out it would have been o.k. to vape in my seat. Of course it would suck even worse to get arrested or something.Are you sure?
I thought they were still in the stage where they were taking comments on this proposal.
Of course, I've had a bit to drink tonight, and may well have forgotten any such conclusive rulings.
I vape everywhere. You can't stealth with an extended provari with a xl carto tank.
I either get ignored, or get the "what is that" questions.
I've thought this over a lot. Here's my take on it and what I do:
In a restaurant, for example. They either have a policy of no vaping, vaping, or no policy at all.
If their policy is no-vaping, I'll comply if it's posted, just like I complied with no-smoking signs that were posted before the a blanket law made them unnecessary. Absent a law banning vaping indoors, it's their obligation to make any prohibition known to me before I order my meal. Otherwise, they have lured me there under false pretenses and failed to inform me of the conditions of my visit.
Absent any indication that vaping isn't allowed, I will assume it is. If I'm informed after I've started vaping, I'll leave and let them know why.
If they have a policy allowing vaping, it does no good to ask permission, so it's a moot point.
If they have no policy and no indication one way or the other, I generally won't ask. If it's crowded, I may not vape at all. Or, I'll ask a manager/owner, NEVER staff. There's no upside for a server if they give permission, only a downside if management disagrees with that decision. Staff doesn't formulate policy and will likely take the safe route and say no. So, I will either ask someone in a position of authority, or I will vape openly, but not flagrantly. I will ensure that the server sees me vaping. They are then free to ignore it if no other customer complains. If it turns out that the management is against it, their ... is covered. They didn't say I could vape.
Unless you are in a position to influence the creation of a policy where none existed before, there is no upside to asking permission. There is no upside to asking permission from staff in any event. If there are complaints from other customers or management, staff won't go to bat to defend their decision. It's provisional anyway and how long it lasts depends on if anyone else in the building complains.
I'm histrionic as all-get-out, so I thrive off the fact that people give me funny looks whenever I vape in public. Every time somebody shoots me a dirty look, or edges to move their children away ("Why yes, even though you are thirty feet away, that extra foot is the difference between my vapor killing them and their safety."), a tingle runs down my spine as I get this sense of satisfaction out of it all.
It's terrible, really.
People like that piss me off whether I am vaping or not.Every time somebody shoots me a dirty look, or edges to move their children away...
With the exception of the section that I have in bold red, this is exactly how I handle vaping in places other than my own private home, car, etc. I am a polite vaper, but I am a heavy vaper and I will vape wherever vaping is allowed, or at least not banned. As far as the part that I have bolded in red, shop/eatery places absolutely do have the right to ask you not to vape in thier establishment and I will comply with those wishes. I rather doubt that I would just up and leave in the midst of an ordered meal if I were asked not to vape - but I likely would not return to that establishment in the future, either.
~Tiger