G'Day all !!! longtime lurker, newtime posterer.
After some serious scrutinising of the forums lately it would appear I have discovered a new side-effect of e-cigs.
It would appear that some users of these new fangled devices experience great passion, a desire to spread and disseminate all sorts of opinions , and even get quite het up and personal
I love how so many peeps will fight to the death their right to flame another persons opinion
I love how there are people here who are willing to help out no matter what.
Heck I even love the fact some people are trying to push their own self interest by pretending their such and such is better than someone else's such and such !!!
As more of an observer at the moment, I would like to step out of the dark and offer some Trumpybloke wisdom LOL Make of it what you will and I will point out I am wearing asbestos undies as we speak
The cost of manufacturing ANY e-cig is far less than US$20, They are availiable thru many of the china web-trades to the public at far less a price than your retailers in your respective countries will have you believe.
I will keep my comments below mainly to the DSE901 as that is what I own and have researched intensively, but I am sure they will apply to almost any e-cig regardless of claims that "ours " is special.
( for example a new sexy Black DSE901 kit ( 2 bats, 1 atomiser , 1 charger and 5 carts) can be purchased in lots of 6 for US$121 or $20.17)
It is up to you as a consumer to place a price on what you think someones product and service is worth . A retailer who sells a $40-$70 DSE 901 in the U.S. , are his posting skills and supposed testing worth the extra $20 to $50 ?
That is YOUR decision.
All batteries are shipped factory tested and charged, common practise as Li-ion batts always have a holding charge ex factory.
Like any new "hobby" there is a percentage ratio of true enthusiasts who want to see it expand, and those who like it and see the potential for some bucks. This is the curse of the online business, for whoever has the fanciest webpage, and can make the smoothest exaggerations ( note NOT lies lol ) will likely get the business.
I am sure there are suppliers on these forums who fall into either/or of these catagories.
One bad dealing does not make a bad seller, one good dealing does not make a good one either.
In my humble opinion, anyone indulging in the markups of 100% or more of the chinese retail price ( NOTE RETAIL, not wholesale) is simply trading off the new fad and is out to line their pockets.
I liken it to fashion/trendy items, a $1000 Dior handbag is not WORTH $1000 but some people will pay it, because it confers on them the status of simply having it, same can be said of any product.
Everything is "horses for courses" I guess, personally I love the idea of trogs screwdriver ( and this is the only reference I will make to specific products on this forum because I kinda get the feeling Trog is a good bloke and will take this in the way it is intended , i.e. not a slight but a personal observation)
His Screwdriver looks exceptionally well made, it uses a propriety battery , likely to be available in the public domain for many years, it embodies cool asthetics, functionality , and appears to address the biggest failings of the current crop of e-cigs. It uses one of the better atomiser and cart set-ups, and appears to do all it promises... would I buy one , well the answer sadly is no , for a couple of reasons
The Au dollar sucks to the Pound,
I have extensive Li-ion and Li-poly skills as an e-flight aeromodeller and pioneer over the last two decades.
My own " Mod - to - come " will be a DSE901 based device, similar to his but using a 3 1300maH li-poly cells in parralell to provide a 3900 mAh power pack that would require maybe weekly charging at best. I also have the dedicated chargers and control circuits to do this safely.
Does this mean Trog is a rip-off..... not in the slightest, because his screwdriver addresses a problem we all whine about, its a new device, using proprietry parts and home made skills, its price is simply what people will pay for it, like a Dior handbag you could use a paper bag to carry around yer stuff ladies but hey the Dior looks nice and does what it was designed to do !!
I mentioned trog ( and again I really hope he doesnt mind) more as an example of "uniqueness" because honestly , it is the only unit I see as being ANYTHING different from what is mass produced in china and re-sold with huge markups to us the users. The rest is smoke and mirrors and snake-oil remedies to pretend company B's rebranded chinese model such and such is better than company C's rebranded one....
( I am still out on some marketers who claim their product isnt sourced from china.... and then state to people that they have travelled extensively to china to "commission" parts ??? Am I the only one seeing the flaw in this)
in closing ... Peace out lol
I see there will shortly be the WWe-cig Heavyweight champeenship belt going up if the arguments get worse lol
HAPPY NEW YEAR GUYS AND LADIES
( I am so glad I found this place )
After some serious scrutinising of the forums lately it would appear I have discovered a new side-effect of e-cigs.
It would appear that some users of these new fangled devices experience great passion, a desire to spread and disseminate all sorts of opinions , and even get quite het up and personal
I love how so many peeps will fight to the death their right to flame another persons opinion
I love how there are people here who are willing to help out no matter what.
Heck I even love the fact some people are trying to push their own self interest by pretending their such and such is better than someone else's such and such !!!
As more of an observer at the moment, I would like to step out of the dark and offer some Trumpybloke wisdom LOL Make of it what you will and I will point out I am wearing asbestos undies as we speak
The cost of manufacturing ANY e-cig is far less than US$20, They are availiable thru many of the china web-trades to the public at far less a price than your retailers in your respective countries will have you believe.
I will keep my comments below mainly to the DSE901 as that is what I own and have researched intensively, but I am sure they will apply to almost any e-cig regardless of claims that "ours " is special.
( for example a new sexy Black DSE901 kit ( 2 bats, 1 atomiser , 1 charger and 5 carts) can be purchased in lots of 6 for US$121 or $20.17)
It is up to you as a consumer to place a price on what you think someones product and service is worth . A retailer who sells a $40-$70 DSE 901 in the U.S. , are his posting skills and supposed testing worth the extra $20 to $50 ?
That is YOUR decision.
All batteries are shipped factory tested and charged, common practise as Li-ion batts always have a holding charge ex factory.
Like any new "hobby" there is a percentage ratio of true enthusiasts who want to see it expand, and those who like it and see the potential for some bucks. This is the curse of the online business, for whoever has the fanciest webpage, and can make the smoothest exaggerations ( note NOT lies lol ) will likely get the business.
I am sure there are suppliers on these forums who fall into either/or of these catagories.
One bad dealing does not make a bad seller, one good dealing does not make a good one either.
In my humble opinion, anyone indulging in the markups of 100% or more of the chinese retail price ( NOTE RETAIL, not wholesale) is simply trading off the new fad and is out to line their pockets.
I liken it to fashion/trendy items, a $1000 Dior handbag is not WORTH $1000 but some people will pay it, because it confers on them the status of simply having it, same can be said of any product.
Everything is "horses for courses" I guess, personally I love the idea of trogs screwdriver ( and this is the only reference I will make to specific products on this forum because I kinda get the feeling Trog is a good bloke and will take this in the way it is intended , i.e. not a slight but a personal observation)
His Screwdriver looks exceptionally well made, it uses a propriety battery , likely to be available in the public domain for many years, it embodies cool asthetics, functionality , and appears to address the biggest failings of the current crop of e-cigs. It uses one of the better atomiser and cart set-ups, and appears to do all it promises... would I buy one , well the answer sadly is no , for a couple of reasons
The Au dollar sucks to the Pound,
I have extensive Li-ion and Li-poly skills as an e-flight aeromodeller and pioneer over the last two decades.
My own " Mod - to - come " will be a DSE901 based device, similar to his but using a 3 1300maH li-poly cells in parralell to provide a 3900 mAh power pack that would require maybe weekly charging at best. I also have the dedicated chargers and control circuits to do this safely.
Does this mean Trog is a rip-off..... not in the slightest, because his screwdriver addresses a problem we all whine about, its a new device, using proprietry parts and home made skills, its price is simply what people will pay for it, like a Dior handbag
you could use a paper bag to carry around yer stuff ladies but hey the Dior looks nice and does what it was designed to do !!I mentioned trog ( and again I really hope he doesnt mind) more as an example of "uniqueness" because honestly , it is the only unit I see as being ANYTHING different from what is mass produced in china and re-sold with huge markups to us the users. The rest is smoke and mirrors and snake-oil remedies to pretend company B's rebranded chinese model such and such is better than company C's rebranded one....
( I am still out on some marketers who claim their product isnt sourced from china.... and then state to people that they have travelled extensively to china to "commission" parts ??? Am I the only one seeing the flaw in this
)in closing ... Peace out lol
I see there will shortly be the WWe-cig Heavyweight champeenship belt going up if the arguments get worse lol
HAPPY NEW YEAR GUYS AND LADIES
( I am so glad I found this place )
