The explanation for the "ratio change" can be found at the top of ITC's fB Page.
In short: If you liked 50/50, get the 60/40.
In short: If you liked 50/50, get the 60/40.
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Ahhh...I missed that part. I agree with the statement above that ITC juice seems thick for what it's labeled as, too. I'm curious about why it seems so thick if their 50/50 was 60/40 PG/VG all along? I wonder if they are using a VG nic base and not including that in their calculations or something. I mix my own juice now and 50/50 always has the same viscosity me whether I use a PG or VG nic base. I like their juice, but they've got to be measuring something incorrectly if their juice is thicker than usual at a 60/40 mix. My guess is they are using a VG based nic and aren't subtracting the VG in that from the mix ratio. For example, if you mix up an unflavored 30mL batch of juice at 12mg/mL nic, and use a 100mg/mL VG based nic, you would use 15mL of PG and 11.4mL of VG. If they are mixing up the flavored juice first, then adding the nicotine later, then they are going to wind up with the opposite ratio (15mL of VG and 11.4mL of PG).
Interesting, anyone know if there are different viscosities of VG? It really doesn't make sense to me, but charlie's post may be on the mark.
Well I don't diy- but was actually discussing with the OP of the cheap custard thread. He complained that ITC's 30/70 didn't wick well. Then we were discussing viscosities of vg and also aqueous vg calculations- and he mentioned that his source for vg is thinner than usual. He was put off at first but performed well and prefers it because it wicks better. I have heard from several people who diy that different sources vary in viscosity but since I do not DIY- I can not say from first hand experience. I always try not to discount stuff just because I personally haven't proved/disproved it. So as I have heard it from others and itc- I'm giving them the benefit of a doubt.
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Anyone care to respond...
Which ITC mixes tend to have flavor that drops off after steeping / slow use?
Which flavors do most add a flavor shot too?
For me when using tanks- I always add flavor shots to creams. Nilla has never needed a flavor shot. And if you are using pts- I don't think a flavor shot would hurt. I only use the new subohm tanks that give extra flavor. Sorry I missed your post before.
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My 3 bottle order came in.
Help me decide which to try FOOB, the SL V2 or the CGC. (My gut call from sniffing is the CGC but I'll try first whatever yall say.) I put all 3 in a hot water bath, shook hell out of them, and have them uncapped now for awhile. PS all three have da Flavaboost.
Remember, it's just in an Evod. non-VV.
I still have a few hours left on this tank of MVB Banana Cream .
I say first, I already "cheated" on the bottle of Melon Burst but if I understand it correctly, of my 3, it benefits the Least from steeping.
At least with my Evod, I did well on the MB to go with the Flavaboost. The MB is decent enough to finish. Nice vapor (60/40 p/v),
I smell cantaloupe but taste mostly like honeydew. It's decent enough FOOB.
Help me decide on the other 2.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
Help me decide which to try FOOB, the SL V2 or the CGC. (My gut call from sniffing is the CGC but I'll try first whatever yall say.) I put all 3 in a hot water bath, shook hell out of them, and have them uncapped now for awhile. PS all three have da Flavaboost.
Remember, it's just in an Evod. non-VV.
I still have a few hours left on this tank of MVB Banana Cream .
I say first, I already "cheated" on the bottle of Melon Burst but if I understand it correctly, of my 3, it benefits the Least from steeping.
At least with my Evod, I did well on the MB to go with the Flavaboost. The MB is decent enough to finish. Nice vapor (60/40 p/v),
I smell cantaloupe but taste mostly like honeydew. It's decent enough FOOB.
Help me decide on the other 2.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
Cgc first IMHO. It smoothes out and rounds out after steeping but I vape it foob. SL benefit the most from steeping. On max vg I give sl 2-3 weeks steeping on a 120ml. But with the 60/40 it shouldn't take so long.
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From what I understand it can be bought in a thinned out form, but everyone that I know of mixes juice with 99.7% USP Grade Kosher VG, which has a specific gravity of 1.262 and a viscosity of 1.412 Pa·s
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Thanks for that! I think that confirms pretty much what I was thinking.
I guess you missed that there is a range... and that there are blends that vary... esp is some are thinned down. I would guess that some places have better and more pure vg than others some 99.7 and others 100%. Some sources of vg are better, thicker, thinner, more aqueous, less quality. I bet some are passed of as more pure than others. There is no point in me trying to convince you...LOL...but I respectively disagree. Some vg bases are thicker than others... I have quite a few friends that DIY and even talked to some local vape shop owners here in Marietta that I am friends with and asked them if they have found some vg bases to be thicker and they agreed.
Well each different brand of vg has its only weight per vol but a simple calculation like that wouldn't cause a 10% change in density. regarding your thought about miscalc with nic.
I would have to lean on the side of its a thicker vg.
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And I do agree that they should be at a certain specification, but most of the sources of vg are rebranded. I have read that there arent really that many true sources of vg, but many more repackaged. While in the beginning they probably are the same, but there are middle men that change it to suit their needs.
So my cinnagram is only about a week old at this point but I am not getting the hype yet to be honest. I taste almost no cin. Pretty much just a very light custard. I was under the impression that this juice actually gets a bit less flavorful with a steep but maybe that is after a certain point.
how long does it typically take to develop? I was really excited with all the hype surrounding this just but so far at a little over a week its a big let down. No big deal, its pretty rare the I get a juice from ITC that isnt spot on and its still vapeable but more so as a very light custard than anything else.
On a more positive note after going further down hill I got my plume veil working good enough to where I only have to adjust it about 4-5 times a day to get it to work as opposed to the every couple of hits it was doing. Applied a little bit of dental floss to the positive post. It seems to work.
anyone know if this is unsafe at all?
how long does it typically take to develop? I was really excited with all the hype surrounding this just but so far at a little over a week its a big let down. No big deal, its pretty rare the I get a juice from ITC that isnt spot on and its still vapeable but more so as a very light custard than anything else.
On a more positive note after going further down hill I got my plume veil working good enough to where I only have to adjust it about 4-5 times a day to get it to work as opposed to the every couple of hits it was doing. Applied a little bit of dental floss to the positive post. It seems to work.
anyone know if this is unsafe at all?
I got the CinnaGram Custard from ITC also and think it's way too mild. I can't really taste anything, but it gets rave reviews so I'm hoping that a flavor of some kind actually shows itself after some steeping.
Custards DO take a while to develop, TWF. Plan on 3-4 weeks after receipt for full development. That said, it IS a mild flavor (but I enjoy it).
I soaked mine in hot water for about 6 hrs and shook it now and then. Cap off for a couple days, shake, repeat.
Even with da Flavaboost, the first day the flavor was lacking. Now on day 3 the flavors are better and more There.
I just went to place my 2nd order and was going to order a 30 of the CGC but the Melon Twist I wanted in the same order is Sold Out.
Come on ITCV, upy upy, time to make the juice!
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
Another couple review like points.
First, on the Where's the flavor questions, I am going to go out on a limb here and say Get the Flavaboost to Start with. I say this because you can always find some place in town to sell you the same strength nic unflavored juice to knock the flavor down with if in a week or so, if it's still too strong for you. IF you get Too Little flavor in your mailbox, there's not much I know you can do with that but vape it as is or toss it. Also remember da Boost is only a 10% boost, it's NOT like it Doubles the flavor or anything.
As mentioned above, FOOB, even with da Flavaboost, the first day CGC was kind of bland, but with a bit of a speed steep, day 2 was better and day 3 even still better.
Melon Blast Boosted was Strong and artificial FOOB but still vapable. It got the same speed steep and on day 3 the artificial part is gone. I wish it tasted as Cantalopey as it smells but Honeydew is still more up front. Still decent though. In just 3 days the flavors have mellowed out nicely.
SL V2 Boosted is FOUL FOOB, I made the mistake of trying a tank just after the speed steep. Judas H. Preist. TERRIBLY Strong Strawberry perfume. I won't have A Bit of problem letting this steep for a week, probably 2. It'll take that long for me to scour it's initial nastiness out of my brain.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
First, on the Where's the flavor questions, I am going to go out on a limb here and say Get the Flavaboost to Start with. I say this because you can always find some place in town to sell you the same strength nic unflavored juice to knock the flavor down with if in a week or so, if it's still too strong for you. IF you get Too Little flavor in your mailbox, there's not much I know you can do with that but vape it as is or toss it. Also remember da Boost is only a 10% boost, it's NOT like it Doubles the flavor or anything.
As mentioned above, FOOB, even with da Flavaboost, the first day CGC was kind of bland, but with a bit of a speed steep, day 2 was better and day 3 even still better.
Melon Blast Boosted was Strong and artificial FOOB but still vapable. It got the same speed steep and on day 3 the artificial part is gone. I wish it tasted as Cantalopey as it smells but Honeydew is still more up front. Still decent though. In just 3 days the flavors have mellowed out nicely.
SL V2 Boosted is FOUL FOOB, I made the mistake of trying a tank just after the speed steep. Judas H. Preist. TERRIBLY Strong Strawberry perfume. I won't have A Bit of problem letting this steep for a week, probably 2. It'll take that long for me to scour it's initial nastiness out of my brain.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
How many flavor boosts do I need for a 240ml bottle? I coudn't understand what ITC was saying about how many boosts to get.
Now explain this....I tried out 9 of ITC's samples and the ONLY one I just couldn't stand was the Dew Cream. It's a Honeydew melon flavor and very repulsive to me. BUT...my daughter and her friend LOVE it and just ordered a huge bottle. I just don't understand how our tastes can be that different, I hate it, they love it...go figure.
Another question....I really like the Nilla Gorilla, it's a mild banana cream flavor. But does it darken in color? All banana liquids I've bought turn black. I'm hoping this one doesn't.
Now explain this....I tried out 9 of ITC's samples and the ONLY one I just couldn't stand was the Dew Cream. It's a Honeydew melon flavor and very repulsive to me. BUT...my daughter and her friend LOVE it and just ordered a huge bottle. I just don't understand how our tastes can be that different, I hate it, they love it...go figure.
Another question....I really like the Nilla Gorilla, it's a mild banana cream flavor. But does it darken in color? All banana liquids I've bought turn black. I'm hoping this one doesn't.
How many flavor boosts do I need for a 240ml bottle? I coudn't understand what ITC was saying about how many boosts to get.
Now explain this....I tried out 9 of ITC's samples and the ONLY one I just couldn't stand was the Dew Cream. It's a Honeydew melon flavor and very repulsive to me. BUT...my daughter and her friend LOVE it and just ordered a huge bottle. I just don't understand how our tastes can be that different, I hate it, they love it...go figure.
Another question....I really like the Nilla Gorilla, it's a mild banana cream flavor. But does it darken in color? All banana liquids I've bought turn black. I'm hoping this one doesn't.
1. The flavor boost is based on the size bottle it's for and then you annotate in the notes which bottle u want boosted.
2. Taste is so subjective
it's still amazing we differ so much sometimes. It's like food. 3. It gets dark but not black at all. Here is some of mine in 50/50 I have with me: it's a month old.
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