Dug out the micrometer and checked. My Drop was delivered with 26. My Lemo2 came with 24.
Eleaf Lemo II
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I have been using 28 gauge nickel. Trapping the legs under the screws is a pain in the A-- using the holes on the deck is a problem because the screw cuts through the nickel. . I've been using it on my SX Mini M and the flavor and clouds are fantastic.
The juice consumption is crazy. I need to fill it 4-5 a daily.
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The wire that came with mine is 24 ga and appears to be Nichrome although I haven't built a coil with it yet (been using my 250 foot roll)
I will try to remember to build the next coil with it and test it out...it does measure the same resistance per inch as my Temco Nichrome 24...
I will try to remember to build the next coil with it and test it out...it does measure the same resistance per inch as my Temco Nichrome 24...
You may find it difficult with such a small amount of wicking to work with. I'm sure it can be done but having a thicker wick to work with makes it a bit easier.
I just got my Lemo 2 and have been a huge Lemo fan. Can anyone tell me how long it takes or the best method to get rid of the oil taste. I've scrubbed the heck out of this thing and let it soak in dish liquid overnight and still has a slight off taste of machine oil.
Other than that this thing ROCKS!
Other than that this thing ROCKS!
Other than an alcohol bath, some have reported boiling the bits for 10 minutes removes all traces. Remove all orings and seals first!
Ok so straight out of the box, the Lemo 2 is already put together and ready to vape. Coil is already installed (they used a 8 wrap 24 gauge micro coil at .5 ohms) and wick is already set up. Just fill and go. But being me, I decided to take it apart first and check it out.
At first look, it’s a great looking device overall. I like how the top cap is made, and the small drip tip on top of the cap is the perfect size. Nice wide bore, double O-ring, fits nice and snug, and looks great (pic below). The fill port and AFC both move effortlessly and smoothly, but fit snug enough to stay put once adjusted.
Taken apart, I had 0 remnants of any machine oil, as some others have reported. The device was spotless clean. Every piece of this thing has been machined perfectly. Every thread is buttery smooth, and there are zero signs of burrs or spurs anywhere. It’s just as an authentic device should be; manufactured perfectly.
The build deck shows a nice sized air hole, a little over 3mm wide, by my measurements (picture below). YES, IT IS a PEEK insulator you see there. Everything is spaced nicely, and once again, machining is spot on.
I decided to give the stock coil a go, as it looked exactly how I would have built it on my first go (picture above, minus wick as I took these after vaping it and taking it apart again).
Filling! Oh goodness the filling! So easy it’s ridiculous. Turn the fill port to open and fill. That’s it. I was using a fat tip 30 mL bottle, and it filled in less than 10 seconds.
The resistance of the stock coil came out to .5 ohms, so I ran it between 30-40 watts as I do most builds around that resistance.
I was pleasantly surprised by the airflow. Great for lung hits, which I favor. Nice thick hearty plumes, but it was lacking something… Flavor. I tried all different wattages and air flow settings to see if I could squeeze a little more flavor out of it, to no avail.
So far everything was legitimately perfect about this device except for the flavor, so I decided to do a rebuild. My go-to build for flavor is a chimney coil, so I got started on that.
The build room on this deck is outstanding. I was able to match the coil’s inner diameter to the air hole’ diameter, so I wouldn’t be losing any air flow. I did 24 gauge 9/10 wraps on a 1/8 drill bit, which came out to 0.8 ohms. Although building on this deck was much different than my past few tanks (Orchid, Goblin, Goliath) I actually found building on this deck easier than all of them, even with the strange (to me) post design.
After a quick heat and squeeze and wrapping the coil in a cotton blanket, It was ready to go.
Again, I got some good clouds, and flavor was a little improved. After a few good drags, though, the flavor went dull again. I wasn’t getting dry hits, but I wasn’t getting good flavor, either. I thought maybe the wick wasn’t broken in yet, so I vaped on it for a few hours, and let it sit in juice overnight.
This morning, came back to it; same story. I took it apart, made sure the wicks were sitting above the channels so it gets plenty of juice, and it’s still not getting the flavor I am used to. Maybe I have been spoiled by the Orchid/Goblin with flavor. Problem is, EVERYTHING about this device is exactly what I want, except flavor.
One big difference I noticed right off the bat with the stock coil, and with my first build, is that the bubbles weren’t there. Anyone with a Goblin or Goliath knows what I am talking about with the bubbles. They both wick like champions. This one doesn’t seem to drink the juice as fast. For tank longevity , this is a good thing. For flavor, as it turns out, it’s a big fat negative.
While puffing this morning, I decided to open the fill port and take a puff to purposely flood the chamber. “BOOM, there it is!” Flavor was in your face, and exactly what I was wanting. Seems to be the channels can’t keep up with thirsty builds. I am going to mill out the juice channels tonight and give it another go.
Overall, it’s all I look for in a RTA. Huge build deck, easy to build on, easy to fill. Once I get this flavor issue sorted out, I think it may put most of my stuff (I don’t think I will ever permanently shelf the Goblin) into the ‘not being used’ pile.
Being a flavor chaser, though… it’s a big fail if I can’t get that worked out.
At first look, it’s a great looking device overall. I like how the top cap is made, and the small drip tip on top of the cap is the perfect size. Nice wide bore, double O-ring, fits nice and snug, and looks great (pic below). The fill port and AFC both move effortlessly and smoothly, but fit snug enough to stay put once adjusted.
Taken apart, I had 0 remnants of any machine oil, as some others have reported. The device was spotless clean. Every piece of this thing has been machined perfectly. Every thread is buttery smooth, and there are zero signs of burrs or spurs anywhere. It’s just as an authentic device should be; manufactured perfectly.
The build deck shows a nice sized air hole, a little over 3mm wide, by my measurements (picture below). YES, IT IS a PEEK insulator you see there. Everything is spaced nicely, and once again, machining is spot on.
I decided to give the stock coil a go, as it looked exactly how I would have built it on my first go (picture above, minus wick as I took these after vaping it and taking it apart again).
Filling! Oh goodness the filling! So easy it’s ridiculous. Turn the fill port to open and fill. That’s it. I was using a fat tip 30 mL bottle, and it filled in less than 10 seconds.
The resistance of the stock coil came out to .5 ohms, so I ran it between 30-40 watts as I do most builds around that resistance.
I was pleasantly surprised by the airflow. Great for lung hits, which I favor. Nice thick hearty plumes, but it was lacking something… Flavor. I tried all different wattages and air flow settings to see if I could squeeze a little more flavor out of it, to no avail.
So far everything was legitimately perfect about this device except for the flavor, so I decided to do a rebuild. My go-to build for flavor is a chimney coil, so I got started on that.
The build room on this deck is outstanding. I was able to match the coil’s inner diameter to the air hole’ diameter, so I wouldn’t be losing any air flow. I did 24 gauge 9/10 wraps on a 1/8 drill bit, which came out to 0.8 ohms. Although building on this deck was much different than my past few tanks (Orchid, Goblin, Goliath) I actually found building on this deck easier than all of them, even with the strange (to me) post design.
After a quick heat and squeeze and wrapping the coil in a cotton blanket, It was ready to go.
Again, I got some good clouds, and flavor was a little improved. After a few good drags, though, the flavor went dull again. I wasn’t getting dry hits, but I wasn’t getting good flavor, either. I thought maybe the wick wasn’t broken in yet, so I vaped on it for a few hours, and let it sit in juice overnight.
This morning, came back to it; same story. I took it apart, made sure the wicks were sitting above the channels so it gets plenty of juice, and it’s still not getting the flavor I am used to. Maybe I have been spoiled by the Orchid/Goblin with flavor. Problem is, EVERYTHING about this device is exactly what I want, except flavor.
One big difference I noticed right off the bat with the stock coil, and with my first build, is that the bubbles weren’t there. Anyone with a Goblin or Goliath knows what I am talking about with the bubbles. They both wick like champions. This one doesn’t seem to drink the juice as fast. For tank longevity , this is a good thing. For flavor, as it turns out, it’s a big fat negative.
While puffing this morning, I decided to open the fill port and take a puff to purposely flood the chamber. “BOOM, there it is!” Flavor was in your face, and exactly what I was wanting. Seems to be the channels can’t keep up with thirsty builds. I am going to mill out the juice channels tonight and give it another go.
Overall, it’s all I look for in a RTA. Huge build deck, easy to build on, easy to fill. Once I get this flavor issue sorted out, I think it may put most of my stuff (I don’t think I will ever permanently shelf the Goblin) into the ‘not being used’ pile.
Being a flavor chaser, though… it’s a big fail if I can’t get that worked out.
Hey buddy, I use nickel exclusively on the lemo; a good way to do is is to simply wrap the leads around the screw a full round.
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Joe Van,
Try a smaller drip tip and the flavor ramps up. I was excited about the wide bore drip tip, but soon realized putting the Original lemo 1 tip on the 2 increased the flavor output of this device.
Try a smaller drip tip and the flavor ramps up. I was excited about the wide bore drip tip, but soon realized putting the Original lemo 1 tip on the 2 increased the flavor output of this device.
Just ordered a lemo 2. It will be my first rta. Been using the kanger subtank mini and the delta 2.
Joevan...you may just need to make sure not to pack the cotton into or onto the juice channels. It does quite well when you give it a little room at the openings. I can lung hit this thing from fill to empty when I wick it properly but I have also wicked it improperly and had the same experience you did.
The way mine is wicked now I get big bubbles and loads of flavor.
The way mine is wicked now I get big bubbles and loads of flavor.
I build my Lemos at around 1 ohm, I'm a mouth to lung hitter so I don't like that much air. Also the chimney is way too big, that's why the Goblin wins in flavor over this one. With those builds and vaping it 2/3 of the way closed, flavor hasn't failed me, although little vapor. They need to revamp the chimney size pronto...Ok so straight out of the box, the Lemo 2 is already put together and ready to vape. Coil is already installed (they used a 8 wrap 24 gauge micro coil at .5 ohms) and wick is already set up. Just fill and go. But being me, I decided to take it apart first and check it out.
At first look, it’s a great looking device overall. I like how the top cap is made, and the small drip tip on top of the cap is the perfect size. Nice wide bore, double O-ring, fits nice and snug, and looks great (pic below). The fill port and AFC both move effortlessly and smoothly, but fit snug enough to stay put once adjusted.
Taken apart, I had 0 remnants of any machine oil, as some others have reported. The device was spotless clean. Every piece of this thing has been machined perfectly. Every thread is buttery smooth, and there are zero signs of burrs or spurs anywhere. It’s just as an authentic device should be; manufactured perfectly.
The build deck shows a nice sized air hole, a little over 3mm wide, by my measurements (picture below). YES, IT IS a PEEK insulator you see there. Everything is spaced nicely, and once again, machining is spot on.
I decided to give the stock coil a go, as it looked exactly how I would have built it on my first go (picture above, minus wick as I took these after vaping it and taking it apart again).
Filling! Oh goodness the filling! So easy it’s ridiculous. Turn the fill port to open and fill. That’s it. I was using a fat tip 30 mL bottle, and it filled in less than 10 seconds.
The resistance of the stock coil came out to .5 ohms, so I ran it between 30-40 watts as I do most builds around that resistance.
I was pleasantly surprised by the airflow. Great for lung hits, which I favor. Nice thick hearty plumes, but it was lacking something… Flavor. I tried all different wattages and air flow settings to see if I could squeeze a little more flavor out of it, to no avail.
So far everything was legitimately perfect about this device except for the flavor, so I decided to do a rebuild. My go-to build for flavor is a chimney coil, so I got started on that.
The build room on this deck is outstanding. I was able to match the coil’s inner diameter to the air hole’ diameter, so I wouldn’t be losing any air flow. I did 24 gauge 9/10 wraps on a 1/8 drill bit, which came out to 0.8 ohms. Although building on this deck was much different than my past few tanks (Orchid, Goblin, Goliath) I actually found building on this deck easier than all of them, even with the strange (to me) post design.
After a quick heat and squeeze and wrapping the coil in a cotton blanket, It was ready to go.
Again, I got some good clouds, and flavor was a little improved. After a few good drags, though, the flavor went dull again. I wasn’t getting dry hits, but I wasn’t getting good flavor, either. I thought maybe the wick wasn’t broken in yet, so I vaped on it for a few hours, and let it sit in juice overnight.
This morning, came back to it; same story. I took it apart, made sure the wicks were sitting above the channels so it gets plenty of juice, and it’s still not getting the flavor I am used to. Maybe I have been spoiled by the Orchid/Goblin with flavor. Problem is, EVERYTHING about this device is exactly what I want, except flavor.
One big difference I noticed right off the bat with the stock coil, and with my first build, is that the bubbles weren’t there. Anyone with a Goblin or Goliath knows what I am talking about with the bubbles. They both wick like champions. This one doesn’t seem to drink the juice as fast. For tank longevity , this is a good thing. For flavor, as it turns out, it’s a big fat negative.
While puffing this morning, I decided to open the fill port and take a puff to purposely flood the chamber. “BOOM, there it is!” Flavor was in your face, and exactly what I was wanting. Seems to be the channels can’t keep up with thirsty builds. I am going to mill out the juice channels tonight and give it another go.
Overall, it’s all I look for in a RTA. Huge build deck, easy to build on, easy to fill. Once I get this flavor issue sorted out, I think it may put most of my stuff (I don’t think I will ever permanently shelf the Goblin) into the ‘not being used’ pile.
Being a flavor chaser, though… it’s a big fail if I can’t get that worked out.
This atty is not ever gonna be a one-fits-all design but the chimney size is perfect for lung hitters...there are plenty of smaller chimney designs out there for m-t-l hitters but few tanks with chimneys like this one for us lung hitters.
Errr, no. Goblin, KF, Squape and that's it. Unfortunately, except for the Goblin that is a PITA to build, all chimneys are huge. The evap chamber is not the chimney, that should be smaller to allow for better flavor.
AND a smaller chimney could be offered as an option.
Sorry, my mistake... Again, aftermarket chimneys and airflow controllers would be easy to rig.
Sorry to those that are experiencing muted/lack of flavor... offering my personal experiences:
I've tried too many RTAs to name here, and the Lemo and Lemo 2 are by far the most flavorful for me. That being said, for some reason, I get barely any flavor when using 28 gauge wire as opposed to 30 gauge wire. I can't even begin to imagine all of the variables at play here, it may have nothing to do with wire gauge, it may have everything to do with wire gauge, who knows. There are just so many other variables that could be colliding with each other (temperature, spacing, wicking, height off the deck, liquid flow, wire-surface-to-wick contact area, hot legs, airflow, bad wire, power settings, etc. etc.) which makes it nearly impossible to even speculate.
So, I use 30AWG Ni200, 8 spaced heavily-tensioned wraps with a ~3.2mm I.D. If I do the exact same build using 28AWG, the flavor is very noticeably muted no matter what I do. Not burnt, vapor production is the same, vape is smooth, just no flavor... I've been fiddling with settings, airflow adjustments, etc. and I cannot for the life of me get the same flavor. I have no idea why. I go back to 30AWG and all is fine.
NOTE: The only reason I was trying 28AWG is because the wire is a little easier to work with/not as brittle, and because it's easier to get to a target recommended resistance of .065Ohms for my Yihi SX Mini M.
Weird. So, offering my personal opinion: Give some thinner wire a try and see if you notice a difference!
I've tried too many RTAs to name here, and the Lemo and Lemo 2 are by far the most flavorful for me. That being said, for some reason, I get barely any flavor when using 28 gauge wire as opposed to 30 gauge wire. I can't even begin to imagine all of the variables at play here, it may have nothing to do with wire gauge, it may have everything to do with wire gauge, who knows. There are just so many other variables that could be colliding with each other (temperature, spacing, wicking, height off the deck, liquid flow, wire-surface-to-wick contact area, hot legs, airflow, bad wire, power settings, etc. etc.) which makes it nearly impossible to even speculate.
So, I use 30AWG Ni200, 8 spaced heavily-tensioned wraps with a ~3.2mm I.D. If I do the exact same build using 28AWG, the flavor is very noticeably muted no matter what I do. Not burnt, vapor production is the same, vape is smooth, just no flavor... I've been fiddling with settings, airflow adjustments, etc. and I cannot for the life of me get the same flavor. I have no idea why. I go back to 30AWG and all is fine.
NOTE: The only reason I was trying 28AWG is because the wire is a little easier to work with/not as brittle, and because it's easier to get to a target recommended resistance of .065Ohms for my Yihi SX Mini M.
Weird. So, offering my personal opinion: Give some thinner wire a try and see if you notice a difference!
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