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Indiana Call to Action: Multiple Indiana bills would threaten access to and use of e-cigarettes.
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Left another comment on Pence's facebook page though I think it's pretty clear that the opinions of the people in this state don't matter.
Governor Pence, you've seen the comments here in regards to HB 1432. People are quitting smoking in Indiana and electronic cigarettes are how they are doing it. You absolutely cannot, with a clear conscience, sign this bill into law knowing that Hoosiers have finally found an affective quit smoking method that will continue to grow and soon outpace traditional tobacco cigarette sales. No FDA approved nicotine replacement therapy has shown this level of success, not even close. Indiana legislators are not out on the streets seeing first hand what vaping has done and will continue to do for those who have not been able to quit with other methods. You have to listen to those who know, who experience it and can tell you what this industry is all about. It's not a tobacco industry thing, it's not a corporate business thing, it's a "we the people thing" that has grown to what it is today because we the people made it grow, we did this, we opened the shops, we design and produce the open system products that work and we help each other. You cannot take our creation and hand it over to the tobacco companies.
Governor Pence, you've seen the comments here in regards to HB 1432. People are quitting smoking in Indiana and electronic cigarettes are how they are doing it. You absolutely cannot, with a clear conscience, sign this bill into law knowing that Hoosiers have finally found an affective quit smoking method that will continue to grow and soon outpace traditional tobacco cigarette sales. No FDA approved nicotine replacement therapy has shown this level of success, not even close. Indiana legislators are not out on the streets seeing first hand what vaping has done and will continue to do for those who have not been able to quit with other methods. You have to listen to those who know, who experience it and can tell you what this industry is all about. It's not a tobacco industry thing, it's not a corporate business thing, it's a "we the people thing" that has grown to what it is today because we the people made it grow, we did this, we opened the shops, we design and produce the open system products that work and we help each other. You cannot take our creation and hand it over to the tobacco companies.
I really Like this penny.
Because somehow in all the Hype and Rhetoric about e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids the Core Concept gets lost.
And that is that e-Cigarettes are a Viable HRT for those who Smoke.
It was signed today.
We are rolling out the plans we made for this event and putting some fine points on them. I really wished this would have been a win for us because that would mean less work for us....
We are rolling out the plans we made for this event and putting some fine points on them. I really wished this would have been a win for us because that would mean less work for us....
This is a Dark Day for ALL Vapers.
You mentioned before that it would matter which was signed first, this or SB 463. Since 1432 was signed first, with, I assume, 463 not far behind, what will that change?
I really wish IN would update it's website - hard to keep track when they don't
463 requires a tobacco license to sell e-cig stuff and
1432 required special licensing and hoops to jump through
for anyone selling e-liquids, from what I understand.
So 463 would lump them in with tobacco it seems to me,
thereby opening the door for tobacco taxes down the road?
1432 required special licensing and hoops to jump through
for anyone selling e-liquids, from what I understand.
So 463 would lump them in with tobacco it seems to me,
thereby opening the door for tobacco taxes down the road?
463 has different dates, penalties, and amendments to HB 1432. If it is signed last, which is likely, it takes president over the overlapping regs in HB 1432.
There is not as much crap in 463 (do I have my numbers straight?), but there are consequences. It became a catch all and also requires a summer session hearing, so there is some punishment to the general assembly too.
There is not as much crap in 463 (do I have my numbers straight?), but there are consequences. It became a catch all and also requires a summer session hearing, so there is some punishment to the general assembly too.
four- I read this morning that the effective date is 7/15/15 but that it won't be enforced until 7/15/16.
Hoosier, what made 463 go to summer session? And can 463 still die because of having to go to summer session?
No, it calls for a summer session to debate treating vaping like smoking. Since it dealt with tobacco tax originally and then added vape stuff, like the tobacco retail permit requirement to sell vape gear, it opens the door to taxing it under the same framework. Thus, with the time crunch, it had an amendment to push that debate to summer.
it is a mind boggling bill to read in its final form...
it is a mind boggling bill to read in its final form...
Ugh, not what I want to hear but thanks Hoosier. Is Hoosier Vaper's at least being contacted by sources that want to help, anyone with clout? We could sure use it.
Short answer, yes. We've been in talks with some "after the fact" help for a few months. Oh, the plans that have been made and scrapped over the course of this...
Details on summer session topics in the bill yet to be signed:
1) should eliquid be considered a tobacco product
2) should vaping be added to the state smoking ban
3) should vaping be included in cessation efforts
4) should eliquid be taxed
Work is ongoing to prep to speak on those topics as they are required to call on experts from both sides...
Details on summer session topics in the bill yet to be signed:
1) should eliquid be considered a tobacco product
2) should vaping be added to the state smoking ban
3) should vaping be included in cessation efforts
4) should eliquid be taxed
Work is ongoing to prep to speak on those topics as they are required to call on experts from both sides...
Hmmm...including vaping in cessation efforts when e liquid is not considered a medical product. Interesting, also a bit unnerving when it's a government body pondering it. There's money in them there hills, I mean e liquid bottles!
I read that as wasting cessation money on trying to encourage us to quit the evil vaping. But then they will lose their tax money again... These people really aren't very smart.
Oh, lol! I had a brain cramp I guess. Your interpretation fits better with their thinking, mine had me really scratching my head!
I finally read this bill, and I am wondering where in it does it say, that the DIYers are going to be classified as criminals. I could not find anything that really says that, is it in section 14 and 15 maybe?
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