New Angle On Teens And E-Cigs

[Mossy]

This is getting more ridiculous everyday.............tried to break link but strange things happen

The allure of tricks boosting the popularity of e-cigarettes among teenagers:
http: //www. theage. com. au/lifestyle/life/the-allure-of-tricks-boosting-the-popularity-of-ecigarettes-among-teenagers-20150505-ggu207.html

 

[Mossy]

I can't seem to break this link with spaces....................... mod help needed.

 

[AndriaD]

if you hit that 'report" link, it will notify one of the mods to have a look...

Andria

 

[Spencer87]

[HASHTAG]#helped[/HASHTAG]

 

[Mossy]

Thats better

 

[Spencer87]

as per the article...
kids who otherwise would not have smoked... That is impossible to tell.
yea, vaping is cooler than cigarettes. It does have more allure...

Which is why millions have made the switch!

 

[Lessifer]

I never knew you needed nicotine to do vapor tricks... It's like they can't even decide what they believe the problem is anymore.

 

[philoshop]

As usual, they've come up with what they feel is a brilliant solution. Now they just have to find (or create) a problem that fits it.

 

[DrMA]

The Orwellian claptrap is thick in that article: anything you do that can be perceived as inducing "impure" thoughts in children shall be prosecuted as third-hand thoughtcrime

 

[philoshop]

I'll be blunt with this: I see little difference between holding up a child to defend an empty argument and holding up a child in combat in order to not be killed.
Without a shred of compelling evidence to back their claims of harm, they're using children as a shield to protect their particular world view.

I honestly don't know how to even address that level of thinking because it's completely foreign to me, but I'm open to suggestions.

 

[caramel]

Like++

 

[philoshop]

We expose it and ....ch about it and that's a very good thing. Making people aware. Passionate folks riled up can get things done.
I'd like to hear some hard ideas about how to confront a politician or bureaucrat who's using 'a child' to defend himself/herself in this situation.
I can speak for an hour on the relative benefits of vaping and the reasons for the various fights against it, but I can't come up with a 3 second soundbite to fit the news programs that will counter the 'other guy' holding up the child.

Somebody from the local TV or radio station puts a mic in your face and you have three seconds. What do you say?

 

[philoshop]

I'll start a new thread in general. ;-)

 

[nicnik]

I'll be blunt with this: I see little difference between holding up a child to defend an empty argument and holding up a child in combat in order to not be killed.
Without a shred of compelling evidence to back their claims of harm, they're using children as a shield to protect their particular world view.

I honestly don't know how to even address that level of thinking because it's completely foreign to me, but I'm open to suggestions.

A blunt, spot-on, shocking analogy might work. Got any more?

 

[philoshop]

Demonizing the demonizers doesn't work very well beyond our bounds. The propaganda has roots that run generations deep.

 

[aikanae1]

Demonizing the demonizers doesn't work very well beyond our bounds. The propaganda has roots that run generations deep.

I think in this case that it's very accurate.

"I'll be blunt with this: I see little difference between holding up a child to defend an empty argument and holding up a child in combat in order to not be killed.
Without a shred of compelling evidence to back their claims of harm, they're using children as a shield to protect their particular world view."

Saying anything else would be a distraction.

 

[caramel]

Somebody from the local TV or radio station puts a mic in your face and you have three seconds. What do you say?

"Children are not livestock".

 

[philoshop]

The concept of 'livestock' carries it's own strange connotations for some reason. Perhaps 'tools'?

 

[caramel]

Livestock is better. You suggest that antz want to treat children like animals, through something similar to the animal welfare regulations. Which is completely inappropriate as children need parenting/education not fencing, cowboys with guns and electric prodding sticks. etc.

In a longer discussion you have to start by splitting children in 2 categories, "small children" and "teenagers". Once you clarify that smoking and other stuff are teenager/adolescent issues not toddler ones, you have eliminated from the table the impactful image of toddlers with cigars (so dear to antz). For the rest of the discussion use the word "adolescents".

Then it should be pretty easy from there.

 

[nicnik]

Demonizing the demonizers doesn't work very well beyond our bounds. The propaganda has roots that run generations deep.

Borrowing your analogy and and coating it with buffering for easier digestion:

"I don't think children want to be in the way of helping adults, including being placed between adults and Tobacco Harm Reduction - especially children with parents who smoke. Just as you wouldn't want a child held up between armies in combat, it's a mistake to put children in the middle of this idealogical conflict."