Titanium wire, vaping and safety

[TheBloke]

I think it's rather sitting at the airport waiting for a slot to be shipped abroad, sorry I hope I'm wrong though.

I'm ...... with royal mail. Ever since they made that stupid deal with GLS, any package takes like two weeks to arrive here. It seems that GLS transports the packages to a warehouse in Germany and then they just sit there waiting for slots to be shipped to Portugual... my latest package is sitting there since the 18th... seriously?
Regards
Tony

I hope you're wrong too! However, it's still not showing on RM's tracking so it won't be coming tomorrow, giving me just one more day and one more chance before the long weeekend.

Your experiences of RM are thankfully quite different from mine. I receive packages from China in 5-7 days, depending on where the weekend falls. The China side is responsible for much of that of course, but the UK side holds up its end - usually they clear customs in less than 24 hours, and then I receive them the next morning from RM. That I'm only 70 miles by road from Heathrow helps, but I'd still expect it next day at greater distances as well.

I had never heard of GLS until I bought my Ultrasonic Cleaner, which came from Belgium . It was one of those eBay listings where they say they're in your country - "UK Warehouse!" - but actually they ship to all over Europe; you can always tell because if you look at the "next day" postage cost it'll be something ridiculous like £80. That experience was fine, I got it 3 or 4 days after it shipped. And it had semi-decent tracking on the GLS website along the way.

And then of course I have hundreds of intra-UK experiences where they're usually fine. I expect a First Class letter/packet to arrive next day from anywhere to anywhere in the UK and 95% of the time it does.

So I'm going to blame Deutsche Post They gave me no tracking updates at all for four days - just saying "Sent" from the 15th through the 19th. Then on the 20th it updated to say that, as of the day before, it was "handed over to the International logistics centre" for dispatch to UK. I don't know, maybe the RM side has some responsibility for that logistics centre.

But for now I'm still blaming the Germans. I can get packages all the way from China to my doorstep, via customs, in the same time it took them to move my package part way across Germany to sit in a warehouse awaiting a plane. So much for German efficiency

To be fair, I only paid €5 shipping - I suppose I've been spoilt by $2.50 ePacket from China, where presumably a lot of the actual cost is being swallowed by the vendor. But it did say 'expedited', and nothing about 5 days to move across a single European country feels 'expedited' to me.

Anyway there's still one day left so I'll continue to be optimistic that it'll arrive on Saturday. If it does, it will come at the same time as my latest fasttech order.. that was dispatched Monday afternoon

 

[TheBloke]

hahaha it's coming tomorrow

Seriously, I checked the tracking at least once, maybe twice as I was writing that post and it said nothing.

Then after I finished it, I just checked it again depite saying to myself "what the hell will have changed in 5 minutes?"

21/05/15 13:52 RECEIVED IN UK HEATHROW WORLDWIDE DC

Titanium tomorrow yay! 7 day total shipping, I can just about live with that.

(As an aside, that info should have been visible for the last 9 hours, so not sure what's going on there!)

 

[TheBloke]

I've just sent another message to the customer service guy at Crazy Wire (wireandstuff.co.uk & vape-atomizer-mesh.com), the UK's major and best wire supplier. They have some Ti Gr1 wire, but only in thick gauges (21 and lower.) I sent a contact form enquiry to him just over a month ago asking them to supply thinner gauges of Ti Gr1 for vaping. He replied at the time but said "the jury is still out on Ti" and that they understood there were still safety concerns.

I've just sent him a follow up, shown below. Anyone in the UK (@TheotherSteveS ) wanting Ti Gr1 wire, or indeed anyone in Europe who'd rather order wire from a major supplier at prices such as €3.50/10m, €5/20m (plus a permanent five-for-the-price-of-four offer) might want to contact them as well and add some more voices!

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your reply last month regarding Titanium Grade 1 wire. I realise you do have some Ti Gr1 already, but the gauges are too large to be useful for vaping. We would need gauges 26, 28 and 30 at a minimum (ideally 24 - 32.)

I also understand that Titanium is still in its infancy. But I wanted to bring to your attention the fact that it is now starting to become much more accepted in the vaping community. A lot has changed even in the month since I first messaged you, and there is now real product support.

In the next weeks Joyetech (a major Chinese vaping firm) will release the EVIC-VT mod (product page.) This will bring Titanium to the masses, as it has specific support for it - the user can select between "Ni200" and "Ti" modes. Joyetech are accompanying this new mod with a range of their own Ti Gr1 coils for their Delta 2 line of tanks.

That is not even the first mod to support Titanium. Dicodes, a German firm, have already released two tube mods with support: the Dicodes 2380 and the Dicodes Extreme v2. These mods go even further, not just supporting Ni200 and Titanium, but several other Temp Control wires such as Stainless Steel, and a new wire called "Resitherm NiFe30". These mods allow you to dial in the exact Temperature Coefficient of Resistance that you want, so any wire can be used. Here is a link to the manual for the Dicodes 2380, mentioning use of Titanium wire.

On top of that, the Chinese cloners of the DNA 40 chip have released a new chip with a feature called "Nickel Purity", which also functions to modify the Coefficient of Resistance. This will appear in dozens of Chinese Temp Control mods. I am in the process of testing it with Ti Gr1 and plan to popularise its use with Titanium through YouTube videos.

Regarding safety: the understanding of the community is now that any safety concerns relate primarily to lower grade, not Grade 1, and also that they relate to high temperatures, and thus are not of concern during Temperature Controlled operation.

I personally just ordered four spools of Ti Gr1 wire (24, 26, 28, 30G) from a company called Zivipf in Germany. I had to pay £5 per 10m and wait 7 days for delivery.

I wanted to bring this to your attention again in the hope that it will help show you that Titanium is rapidly gaining in popularity and now has real product support. I believe, were you to stock it, you would start to receive significant orders from both the UK and Europe in general. I talk with a number of European vapers who have ordered from Zivipf and would very likely switch to Crazy Wire should you be able to supply them with the right gauges of Ti Gr1 at your usual great prices.

Thanks very much for your time, and for the amazing wire that your group of companies provide.

 

[tchavei]

RM appears to have made some sort of deal with GLS for outbound mail. Instead of RM being responsible to deliver the package in Lisbon where it would be handled by CTT (Portuguese mail counterpart), they now handle over the mail to gls which routes everything to Germany before distributing it to the destination countries.

RM used to deliver mail at Lisbon in about 5 work days and CTT would take 24h to deliver it too me... Well that's over now.

I get stuff from Germany in about 6 working days (deutsche post).

My RM experience as a sender also isn't the best. Let me find my rma tracking number to see what I mean.

Regards
Tony

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[tchavei]

Found it:

Notice it took 3 days from Langley airport to destination while it took less from me sending it up to the moment it landed in the UK

Regards
Tony

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[TheBloke]

OK yeah that's a bad experience. Every package I've received from international, which is now.. hmm.. five (sixth due tomorrow, seventh due Saturday, ninth and and tenth due next Wednesday; yikes, I'm such a vape gear .....) has arrived next day after Langley.

Maybe the place you were sending was hundreds of miles from Heathrow and maybe something broke down along the way. 90% of my First Class packages arrive next day to me from anywhere in the UK, but at least one in ten takes two. and I've had one in recent memory that took four or five days for no obvious reason. Sometimes packages just get put in the wrong bag or something.

If you ever have to do another one I bet it'll be quicker

 

[tchavei]

OK yeah that's a bad experience. Every package I've received from international, which is now.. hmm.. five (sixth due tomorrow, seventh due Saturday, ninth and and tenth due next Wednesday; yikes, I'm such a vape gear .....) has arrived next day after Langley.

Maybe the place you were sending was hundreds of miles from Heathrow and maybe something broke down along the way. 90% of my First Class packages arrive next day to me from anywhere in the UK, but at least one in ten takes two. and I've had one in recent memory that took four or five days for no obvious reason. Sometimes packages just get put in the wrong bag or something.

If you ever have to do another one I bet it'll be quicker

I hope I never do a rma again ever lol.

" I'm such a vape gear ....."

I think this should be voted sentence of the day

Regards
Tony

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[Rizzyking]

As I'm getting into tc soon and have been looking for different wires as well as suppliers and whilst looking on one of the most respected vaping supplies suppliers I found this Titanium wires for vaping Personally that is enough for me to discount titanium until it's been properly looked into by people who know what they are doing though I'm sure plenty are using it and are happy with it, there seems to be enough reason for doubt to avoid it for now. I've always found stealthvape to be excellent both in terms of service and products and for them to have 30,000 metres of titanium wire they won't sell tells me not to risk it for now.

 

[tchavei]

As I'm getting into tc soon and have been looking for different wires as well as suppliers and whilst looking on one of the most respected vaping supplies suppliers I found this Titanium wires for vaping Personally that is enough for me to discount titanium until it's been properly looked into by people who know what they are doing though I'm sure plenty are using it and are happy with it, there seems to be enough reason for doubt to avoid it for now. I've always found stealthvape to be excellent both in terms of service and products and for them to have 30,000 metres of titanium wire they won't sell tells me not to risk it for now.

Three things

1. Stealthvape (particularly Rob) are well respected and trustworthy in my opinion

2. The titanium wire they used (and still have tons stored away) was, at the time, 34 gauge. This is a very very thin wire... Thin enough to actually flash and burn if torched enough. This doesn't happen with thicker wire gauges.

3. There is only one reason they are not selling ti right now: liability
I can assure you they probably like nickel even less but in case of mitigation, they always can say: hey, Evolv said nickel was safe. Not us.

Now that Joyetech will launch their Ti supported mod, you can bet SV will soon carry Ti again because if something shall happen: hey, Joyetech said it was ok.

Get my drift?

Concerning safety,I'm not going to try convince you that Ti is safe in our application. If you're really interested, check out the study about Ti dioxide and draw your own conclusions. I'm convinced that our usage poses no threat to us but still I avoid forming a titanium dioxide layer on my coils just to be safe.

Now I have a question for you:

You know that titanium dioxide, when inhaled in large quantities, might mess you up because of nano particles. That's why somebody classified Ti O2 as potentially harmful.

Did you know that nickel oxide is classified as a carcinogen? Not just potentially.

I will keep on vaping my Ti coils until someone credible finds out that there is ti dioxide present in our vapes and that it's really harmful.

Regards
Tony

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[Rizzyking]

Yeah I am aware nickel is not particularly good either which was why I was looking for alternatives, in response to your litigation argument there are other companys in the uk selling titanium wire so I don't see how stealthvape would rule themselves out of a market that exists when their risk would be no greater. This thread is labeled with safety in the title and as I said I found that whilst looking into wire types for tc and thought it relevant.

 

[TheBloke]

Up until three months ago I was setting fire to dried leaves and sucking clouds of carbon monoxide-rich smoke into my mouth and lungs. And I smoked cigarettes as well.

As long as nothing I vape is actually on fire, I figure I'm probably still well ahead.

 

[HolmanGT]

Up until three months ago I was setting fire to dried leaves and sucking clouds of carbon monoxide-rich smoke into my mouth and lungs. And I smoked cigarettes as well.

As long as nothing I vape is actually on fire, I figure I'm probably still well ahead.

Blooke,

I agree with you completely about not being on fire.

But as far as Titanium and Nickel wire I think everyone should give Evolv,YiHi and Joyetech a little credit for having investigated the potential hazards these two metals may present. IMHO no multimillion dollar company is going to hang it all out for a law suit.

 

[dems86]

Blooke,

I agree with you completely about not being on fire.

But as far as Titanium and Nickel wire I think everyone should give Evolv,YiHi and Joyetech a little credit for having investigated the potential hazards these two metals may present. IMHO no multimillion dollar company is going to hang it all out for a law suit.

You must not be familiar with Big Tobacco or Big Pharma

Although, I do agree somewhat with your point, I imagine most companies care somewhat about the health of their consumers, not only litigation, but a dead customer can't buy your products.

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Card Carrying Member/Co-Founder

 

[HolmanGT]

You must not be familiar with Big Tobacco or Big Pharma

Although, I do agree somewhat with your point, I imagine most companies care somewhat about the health of their consumers, not only litigation, but a dead customer can't buy your products.

THE WGU CLUB
Card Carrying Member/Co-Founder

dems86,

Yeah I am aware of what has been done by Tobacco companies an the Drug companies. Some by design and some by accident. I don't know if my belief in the TC outfits are being as careful as they should but I think if they were obviously using extremely dangerous metals they would have been called out on it already - I hope.

That being said by a guy with a mouth full of Mercury amalgam fillings. Oh - and it is a lot more mercury than you will ever get from eating Tuna.

I will just default to Blokes argument of reason... almost anything is better than cigarettes for longevity.

 

[dems86]

dems86,

Yeah I am aware of what has been done by Tobacco companies an the Drug companies. Some by design and some by accident. I don't know if my belief in the TC outfits are being as careful as they should but I think if they were obviously using extremely dangerous metals they would have been called out on it already - I hope.

That being said by a guy with a mouth full of Mercury amalgam fillings. Oh - and it is a lot more mercury than you will ever get from eating Tuna.

I will just default to Blokes argument of reason... almost anything is better than cigarettes for longevity.

Haha, I know, huh?

Short of sucking on a tail pipe, I can't imagine anything we're vaping being worse for us than cigarettes.

THE WGU CLUB
Card Carrying Member/Co-Founder

 

[TheBloke]

Oh wow!

Woke up this morning to find Chris of Crazy Wire / wireandstuff.co.uk had responded already. Following the details I sent him, they will restart production and add a range of Ti Gr1 to their website!

And for informing him of how he can better provide products to me, he's going to give me some free products

Thank you for the informative email.

As you know we are wire and mesh manufacturers and not vaping specialists. We rely on information like this to offer the correct products to our customers.

Due to emails from several customers informing me of the potential dangers of titanium wires for vaping we withdrew the planned development of our range.

With everything that you have said I will restart this production and we will add a range to our website.

GR1 is an easy wire for us to supply because it is used in the mesh industry for medicinal quality specifications. Obviously I’m therefore delighted to learn of its suitability for vaping.

Please email me when it goes live on the website and you can have a shipment of the wire for free. We’ve very grateful for the input.​

Schweeeet!

Guys, quickly - especially @tchavei - is there anything he might need to know about the wire they need to make ? I know Tony did a study of different wires eg from Zivipf. Is Ti Gr1 just Ti Gr1? Or is there anything difference between different wires provided by different companies?

In other words, can I tell him anything about how to make the best Ti wire for our use, or will it be fine as long as he supplies the best quality Ti Gr1?

 

[tchavei]

Oh wow!

Woke up this morning to find Chris of Crazy Wire / wireandstuff.co.uk had responded already. Following the details I sent him, they will restart production and add a range of Ti Gr1 to their website!

And for informing him of how he can better provide products to me, he's going to give me some free products

Thank you for the informative email.

As you know we are wire and mesh manufacturers and not vaping specialists. We rely on information like this to offer the correct products to our customers.

Due to emails from several customers informing me of the potential dangers of titanium wires for vaping we withdrew the planned development of our range.

With everything that you have said I will restart this production and we will add a range to our website.

GR1 is an easy wire for us to supply because it is used in the mesh industry for medicinal quality specifications. Obviously I’m therefore delighted to learn of its suitability for vaping.

Please email me when it goes live on the website and you can have a shipment of the wire for free. We’ve very grateful for the input.​

Schweeeet!

Guys, quickly - especially @tchavei - is there anything he might need to know about the wire they need to make ? I know Tony did a study of different wires eg from Zivipf. Is Ti Gr1 just Ti Gr1? Or is there anything difference between different wires provided by different companies?

In other words, can I tell him anything about how to make the best Ti wire for our use, or will it be fine as long as he supplies the best quality Ti Gr1?

Those a good news. The more suppliers we have, the better. Regarding the wire, as long as it is certified grade 1 wire, I see no problem with it. I would personally prefer annealed over normal because the latter is really springy and hard but that's something he will need to test because when I anneal Ti at home, it will become much more weak and break far easier. In that scenario, I would prefer the regular stuff.

Regards
Tony

 

[TheBloke]

Those a good news. The more suppliers we have, the better. Regarding the wire, as long as it is certified grade 1 wire, I see no problem with it. I would personally prefer annealed over normal because the latter is really springy and hard but that's something he will need to test because when I anneal Ti at home, it will become much more weak and break far easier. In that scenario, I would prefer the regular stuff.

Regards
Tony

Yeah, and this supplier isn't a little one like Zipvif - they're a large factory who supply most of the vaping wire in the UK, and hundreds of other wires to various industries. They will do it properly, and at superb prices.

Thanks a lot for the details, I have passed that on to Chris. Hopefully they can get the annealing working well - with their Ni200 they offer a Soft Finish which is both annealed and tempered it to make it super super soft and wonderful to coil.

 

[TheBloke]

No Titanium for me today. I blame you, Tony. All your ragging on RM, they decided this was going to be my first international package not delivered next day from Heathrow

Then again, perhaps more likely, it was my hubris at talking them up; the Gods of Shipping will punish those who take Their services for granted.

(Or could just be that it didn't show on the tracking until 10pm last night, probably meaning that although the tracking said it was released to them at 14.00, they didn't actually get it processed until much later and it missed its chance of getting to me today.)

Surely, surely, tomorrow!

 

[tchavei]

No Titanium for me today. I blame you, Tony. All your ragging on RM, they decided this was going to be my first international package not delivered next day from Heathrow [emoji14]

Then again, perhaps more likely, it was my hubris at talking them up; the Gods of Shipping will punish those who take Their services for granted.

(Or could just be that it didn't show on the tracking until 10pm last night, probably meaning that although the tracking said it was released to them at 14.00, they didn't actually get it processed until much later and it missed its chance of getting to me today.)

Surely, surely, tomorrow!

Lucky you. We don't have postal service at weekends

I'm sure it will arrive.. Sooner or later

Regards
Tony

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