Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?
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The problem is that they want to make it a police not a parenting matter.
Police to seize e-cigarettes from children as NSW government beefs up laws
Don't have to tell me that. I know all too well about the police state.
I don't either, z-man; my son just turned 27.
But I have to say, thinking back to when he was a teenager... if I had discovered he smoked (regularly, not just experimentally), I'd have been extremely perturbed (I was perturbed about that when he started smoking at 18). If I had discovered he vaped (regularly, not just experimentally), I'm pretty that I would AT FIRST have been almost equally perturbed, but after researching it, I'm pretty sure my feelings would be much the same as they are now: 95%-99% safer than smoking, probably nothing to be unduly alarmed about -- even with nicotine. My son suffered fairly extreme ADD all thru his school years, and I now know that I was actually self-medicating for that same disorder, when I was a teenager, even though no one at that time had ever heard of it. I would trust self-medicating with nicotine a lot further than I trust ANYTHING that comes from Big Pharma, particularly their brain-chemistry-altering nostrums.
Andria
Do you think Currently Illegal Drugs should be Sold to Children?
Other People's Children that is?
How about Alcohol? Or Porn?
So if Someone suggested that we Sell Drugs to Kids. Or let them Buy Alcohol. Or Porn. Or just About Anything they want, you don't have a Problem with that.
OK.
Nope no problem. It's their parents problem not mine. And since I don't like others to interfere with my problems, I return the favor.
Alcohol and illicit drugs are demonstrably harmful. Porn is probably a topic for Outside, but I will say that America has the highest number of "abstinence only" education programs, and also has some of the highest numbers for teen pregnancy and std transmission.
Vaping would not seem to fit in the same categories.
Vaping would not seem to fit in the same categories.
What is the Difference? Caramel said we shouldn't be "policing other people's children".
Isn't that what we are doing when we say that Kids can't buy Drugs or Booze or Porn?
I'm not Caramel.
Here is the difference:
Alcohol and illicit drugs are demonstrably harmful, that is supposed to be the basis for their age restrictions. Vaping is not demonstrably harmful, at least not to a higher degree than many other socially age independent behaviors, such as drinking soda, coffee, tap water, walking down a street, sitting in an air conditioned room, etc.
I think where we Differ is that you want to Kids to be able to use e-Cigarettes because they have Not been shown to be Harmful.
Whereas I don't want Kids to use e-Cigarettes because they have Not been shown to be Safe.
We have kinda been over this about 17 Times. And I think Andria is right. That since there is Going to be a National Age Limit to buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine, and that will be 18+, that we are just Beating a Dead Horse.
No... I want kids (adolescents, prone to such things as smoking cigarettes and hang the law) to have access to them because they are INDISPUTABLY 95%-99% safer than smoking cigarettes. But you're right, it's a dead horse, because the laws will be the same as for tobacco products, even though they are NOT tobacco products, so my hope is that, just as kids can currently get cigarettes if they really try, they will also be able to get e-cigs if they really try.
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