The most scathing post from Dr Siegel on new ALA position on vaping

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The sad truth is, it really is all about the money. The more research I do, the more I read it's all about lost revenue. It's incredible to me that the news agencies aren't talking about this more, they love scandal.

There has only been one national news organization that has provided more positive and accurate commentary on vaping. The rest/majority of the national news organizations have a strong liberal agenda and they are not going to do anything that contradicts this administration's position on vaping which mirrors the ALA position, which is beholden to the Big Pharmaceutical industry, as is this administration. Very sick and very sad.
 

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...............I would think the fine, smart people at the ALA could connect some dots......................

I am sure there are some "fine and smart people" at ALA. But the leadership of that organization are simply puppets of the Big Pharmaceutical industry that provides their salaries and stock options as well as additional employment after they leave the ALA. Completely incesturous.
 

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You may not like the messenger but you still should read the message. Dismissing it on your perceived orientation of the author is akin to antz dismissing all pro-vaping studies as machinations of evil BT.

One time just for clarification.... I obviously read the message/post to reply. If I suggest that you read a book are you under the obligation to read it and if you refuse, you're an ANTZ?? :facepalm:
 

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One time just for clarification.... I obviously read the message/post to reply. If I suggest that you read a book are you under the obligation to read it and if you refuse, you're an ANTZ?? :facepalm:

It depends on the grounds I refuse. There's a difference between "I don't have the time/ inclination" and "The author must be a BT shill and thus the book entirely worthless".
 

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It depends on the grounds I refuse. There's a difference between "I don't have the time/ inclination" and "The author must be a BT shill and thus the book entirely worthless".

Read:
"Free to Choose" by Milton Friedman
"Socialism" by Ludwig von Mises
"Road to Serfdom" by FA Hayek
"Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal" by Ayn Rand
 

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An excellent list.

Yet for understanding and combating Antz I would recommend Sun Tzu, Machiavelli and Orwell.

The Inquisition would also be a good thing to study, regarding the ANTZ and their aims at suppression, but I'm not sure how much the Catholic church has available about that.

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The Inquisition would also be a good thing to study, regarding the ANTZ and their aims at suppression, but I'm not sure how much the Catholic church has available about that.

Andria

Since you mentioned that, here's some fun to appease our Atlas:

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especially since it looks like Antz and the tobacco taxes too.
 

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Going back on pause...

You're giving up too soon. We're just starting. Trotsky has a good point. What is the end? Or, as Antz like to call it, the "end-game"? They like to talk about an idyllic world where no one smokes. But from our previous experience with prohibition and "war on {other stuff}", it would be Al Capone and {other stuff} kingpins. Is this an end worth fighting for? Is this what "public health" is about?
 
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You're giving up too soon. We're just starting. Trotsky has a good point. What is the end? Or, as Antz like to call it, the "end-game"? They like to talk about an idyllic world where no one smokes. But from our previous experience with prohibition and "war on {other stuff}", it would be Al Capone and {other stuff} kingpins. Is this an end worth fighting for? Is this what "public health" is about?

Maybe someone else wants to discuss how 'Trotsky has a good point.' Not me, and not with you at this point. Look, I liked and acknowledged your 'We don't know the long term effects of these regulations..' quip, but Endor set it up and came close to it himself. You basically completed the thought. Kudos. I have no more to say to you on the subject.
 

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Oh well. I was serving the ball for a discussion about Antz "end game" not Trotsky, and I would have liked you to kick it some. Cause most of the discussions here are about antz methods, with few people questioning their declared objective. Somehow it looks like we all accepted it as viable and "good".

I'd personally be delighted if every one of them dropped dead and went straight to hell... but that seems unlikely. At least the dropping dead part; I'm quite sure hell awaits all of them.

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I'd personally be delighted if every one of them dropped dead and went straight to hell... but that seems unlikely. At least the dropping dead part; I'm quite sure hell awaits all of them.

Andria

You're too kind. How about unemployed and selling their house to cover some medical treatment that their insurer declined (especially on some stupid reason like "undeclared pre existing condition of high cholesterol" on a reading of 101% of the arbitrary "high threshold"). Then I would love to hear their opinion on the meaning of "public health".
 

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You're too kind. How about unemployed and selling their house to cover some medical treatment that their insurer declined (especially on some stupid reason like "undeclared pre existing condition of high cholesterol" on a reading of 101% of the arbitrary "high threshold"). Then I would love to hear their opinion on the meaning of "public health".

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I suppose they're unemployed due to their indulgence in some personal taste; eating Fritos at every meal perhaps, or a sick fascination with roasting, grinding, and brewing their own coffee beans, to make the magic elixir they consume around the clock, and of course they trail that stale coffee smell everywhere they go, inciting the general public to recoil from them in disgust. That stuff's not good for you, you know. :facepalm:

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"One may find the answer in looking at where the American Lung Association funds are coming from. The American Lung Association lists on their website several significant donors to their organization, some of which include pharmaceutical powerhouse companies, like Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline and Novartis." BINGO

I found this article while searching donors to the ALA. It was titled Who is Funding the ALA. I wondered who was donating.................Once again it's the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. To heck with our health. That ALA article above made me furious! So once again I sent a little note to them expressing my displeasure regarding their stance on e-cigs. It seems like "My way or the highway".
 
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