Thanks for writing the article @SmokeyJoe, a good read. Just yesterday I was researching this topic and am glad to have found a well rounded summary of the topic and issues.
How do you know this? Did you do interviews of vendors where some said "they aren't concerned about making them as safe as possible"? On the other hand - what 'effort' did others take to "ensure risk factors are not present"? Did they show you lab reports? ..or other data. Or just say that they did? Can you name the vendors that 'don't care' and also name those who do? If not, then on what basis do you make these categorical generalizations?
TKS -- Suppliers worth their salt seek advice and take action..I'll point out a recent one here on ECF:@SmokeyJoe
Goodness forbid we had one company that was interested in juice making that didn't seek solely the advice of folks aside from financial advisors.
Well Juice Junkies..Troop emailed me and wanted to share the test results to ECF and our beloved thread..NOW THAT's DISCLOSURE !!
I want to thank you @TroopX for doing this brotha..You will never know just how important this issure has become to many of us..Yes,..some will continue to vape as they always have,.and that's fine,..but more than a few of us here have decided to just let the suppliers conduct their business on their terms and just kick back and collect the cash.
But for some,..we will remain cautious and not vape flavors that contain AP/DA.
The Plume Room totally rocks,..and by disclosing these lab test results says to me that TPR can be trusted.
Thanks Again TPR!
~Sirius
TPR Statement.pdf - Google Drive
Troop says as soon as he gets the other lab test results and they get their juices tweeked that he will send those test results to us also..Hell you can't ask for anyone to be anymore complying with fans.
Consumers who are concerned should (rather than panic - as you seem to be saying they are - when we've seen little of that here really. "Concern" perhaps but not "panic")
From the article: "Quite simply, there is not a one-size fits all approach that is appropriate to shoehorn e-liquids into. The laboratory must know what they are looking for, and they must set the correct “limits of detection” in their equipment."
The reason why I'm going to er on the side of caution and avoid eliquids that contain it
The diacetyl/acetyl issue is complex, divisive and unresolved.
I've written an in-depth article outlining the history of DA/AP in e-liquids, why they're still there and the two diverging perspectives regarding their inclusion in e-liquids.
It's not an easy topic, as some would have it. Please have a read, and let me know your thoughts in the comments.
The article is here: Confused about diacetyl? You should be | Vaping.com
Thanks for sharing.. just one simple question: I vape my dyo liquid, just tobacco and nuts flavoring (no sweet stuff) Am I in a "safe" zone?
The flavor companies are already shown to be unreliable. There may be exceptions, but as a rule they are not the ones we are going to get good information from. With the history of this subject it would be a fools errand to depend on them.I want to be as safe as possible but to suggest that each juice maker should have each and every one of their juices tested and published is ridiculous. This would lead to the $70.00, 15ml bottle of juice made by the only people that could set up such an extensive testing regime, Big Tobacco.
No, what we need is the Flavor Companies to be honest about what they are selling to our juice vendors. The testing should be done at the top, by the flavor manufactures themselves. They are the ones who are truly making the flavor, not the juice vendor. They are the ones that know what is going in to it. They are also the only ones that can remove and replace it. Very, very few have so far and from what I have heard and tasted, they don't work as well.
I think it's fair to say those manufacturers aren't "aren't concerned about making liquids safe as possible". That's not to say that they don't care
Dr. Farsalinos' research showed wide inclusion of diacetyl in e-liquids.
Unfortunately, some have assured vapers that there is no DA/AP in their eliquids.......and yet there was and is.
I think, instead, people are probably using confirmation bias along the lines of: Well, vaping's been around for a long time and no-one's suffered from Bronchiolitis Obliterans so it must be OK - plus we're stopping people from smoking.
But as I mentioned in the article, BO may be more commonly present in smokers than generally believed.
Another issue is, it develops naturally as the ejuice is steeped.
Capt, some flavor companies get around disclosures by proprietary recipes.
The flavor companies are already shown to be unreliable. There may be exceptions, but as a rule they are not the ones we are going to get good information from. With the history of this subject it would be a fools errand to depend on them
Testing is not outrageously expensive. In the USA I have been hearing that it is something in the neighborhood of $120 per test. Testing does not mean $70 for a small bottle. It may be a burden on a small Mom and Pap corner vape store, but at this point in the game the Mom and Pap store probably should not be mixing their own liquid.