Is pg corrosive to lung tissue?

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Have you gone to a gastrointestinal doctor yet...the reason i ask is sometimes inability to take deep breaths is to to bloating of your stomach or intestines. ...all that pushes up on your diaphragm not allowing you to breathe in very deeply...maybe vaping is irritating your stomach tissue

That is one possibility although One would normally know when they have stomach problems.
 

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Learn to breath correctly. Most people tend to breathe high into their chests (shallow breathing) which leads to a feeling of shortness of breath. Then being hyper focused on your body you will feel or be short of breath. Learning to belly breathe will save your .... if you suffer from anxiety. One question for Joe....why did you stop your meds? I know people who have been on Xanax for decades to help with panic disorder and PTSD. Diabetics need insulin, other people need other medications. Quality of life. One last comment then I am off. The stigma with mental illness has to go away. I lost a good friend about six months ago. Suicide, he never talked to anyone and we never knew how bad he was hurting. Sorry to get so horribly off topic.
 

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Learn to breath correctly. Most people tend to breathe high into their chests (shallow breathing) which leads to a feeling of shortness of breath. Then being hyper focused on your body you will feel or be short of breath. Learning to belly breathe will save your .... if you suffer from anxiety. One question for Joe....why did you stop your meds? I know people who have been on Xanax for decades to help with panic disorder and PTSD. Diabetics need insulin, other people need other medications. Quality of life. One last comment then I am off. The stigma with mental illness has to go away. I lost a good friend about six months ago. Suicide, he never talked to anyone and we never knew how bad he was hurting. Sorry to get so horribly off topic.

I had gained a tolerance and started to get withdrawal symptoms between doses. I had a choice to either bump my dose up a and stay on for the rest if my life (I was already at a rather ridiculously high dose), or quit. I feel fine without it now that the acute withdrawal effects are done with. Except this whole breathing problem of course Lol
 

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You are not the only one. I have had many problems similar to yours. It's not the PG. it's the flavoring. Guaranteed. I have isolated it and have seen genera practitioners, pulmonoligists, allergists, and ENT's. I am a paramedic and I have researched this subject heavily. DM me and I will exchange emails and literally show you my tests. I am a 26 YOM former smoker (7-9 pack year). I never experienced SOB before vaping. Diacetyl and AP risks are real.
 

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You are not the only one. I have had many problems similar to yours. It's not the PG. it's the flavoring. Guaranteed. I have isolated it and have seen genera practitioners, pulmonoligists, allergists, and ENT's. I am a paramedic and I have researched this subject heavily. DM me and I will exchange emails and literally show you my tests. I am a 26 YOM former smoker (7-9 pack year). I never experienced SOB before vaping. Diacetyl and AP risks are real.

That was my thought too. I vaped a lot of "custard" type flavors when I switched to mech mods. That seems to be when all my problems started. So I switched to unflavored. But it seems that didn't help my symptoms go away. Crazy.
 

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And they probably won't. You need corticosteroids and singulair. Get a lung function test and PLEASE report the results on here. I'm more than interested.

I will be starting a new thread tonight showing my recent findings and my direction of treatment. It does get a little better over time, but boy, does it take time.

Ill have to wait until I have the money to go back to the doctors. Ive went there twice now and both times they told me its just anxiety. Even my family tells me its all just anxiety.

The thing is, Im not even anxious. Lol. And ive literally had this problem every single day for like 4 months now 24/7. All the doctors did was take x rays and my blood oxygen level. What specific test should I ask for? Just a "lung function test"?
 

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Ill have to wait until I have the money to go back to the doctors. Ive went there twice now and both times they told me its just anxiety. Even my family tells me its all just anxiety.

The thing is, Im not even anxious. Lol. And ive literally had this problem every single day for like 4 months now 24/7. All the doctors did was take x rays and my blood oxygen level. What specific test should I ask for? Just a "lung function test"?

Yes. A pulmonary function test, also known as a PFT. It also wouldn't hurst to look at IgE levels in blood tests to see if you're having an allergic reaction. Even if it comes back negative it may still be an allergy
 

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Yes. A pulmonary function test, also known as a PFT. It also wouldn't hurst to look at IgE levels in blood tests to see if you're having an allergic reaction. Even if it comes back negative it may still be an allergy

Alright, well when I get the money up I'm going to go ask for one of those. I feel like they blow me off when I go in due to the fact I'm only 20. All I ever hear is "Its all in your head, here's some SSRI's and benzos". Lol
 

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Alright, well when I get the money up I'm going to go ask for one of those. I feel like they blow me off when I go in due to the fact I'm only 20. All I ever hear is "Its all in your head, here's some SSRI's and benzos". Lol

It could be all in your head or it may not be. You can't know for sure until you have more tests done. I would suggest a full pulmonary workup as the guy above suggested.
 

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It also wouldn't hurt to look at IgE levels in blood tests to see if you're having an allergic reaction. Even if it comes back negative it may still be an allergy

This.

Everything you put into your body has a chemical reaction. I spent quite some time with immunology/allergy specialists and had to travel to UAMS (univ of ark medical center) in Little Rock to find out that I have sensitivities to things I never would have thought I had......and which were wrecking my health. People don't realize that headaches, anxiety, depression, arthritis and even acne and asthma are often caused by food intolerances.

Even if the IgE levels come back to indicate no actual allergy, there is still the "sensitivity" issue, and that can be worked out with a proper "elimination diet" where you are able to work on finding your problem.

If you want to get started on that, google elimination diet / food allergies or get a book on it. You can do a lot of this yourself.

I can't tell you the amount of people who are told there is "nothing wrong with them" when it turns out they have very real problems with foods/chemicals/additives. These are not easy to track down, but the "7 horses of the apocalapse" are basically wheat, soy, corn, tree nuts, eggs, dairy products, and I think shellfish.

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The reason I'm asking this is because I know pg is used as an alternative to other solvents in many applications.

As an example:

Most benzodiazipene's are not soluble in conventional solutions such as water, so people use pg because it breaks down that specific chemical structure quite effectively.

Now I'm not a scientist, and I don't happen to have human lung tissue at my disposal to see if it dissolves in pg (Lol), but it just has me thinking. I would hate to find out 10 years from now that pg has been slowly corroding all of our lungs.

I've actually been experiencing problems such as shortness of breath, not being able to take a "full" deep breath, and this weird tight chest feeling after a year and a half of vaping so I may just be paranoid.

Any input?

Actually it sounds far more like too much VG, not PG -- a lot of us have breathing/chest problems with too-high VG -- I can't vape more than about 15% of it in my juice.

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Actually it sounds far more like too much VG, not PG -- a lot of us have breathing/chest problems with too-high VG -- I can't vape more than about 15% of it in my juice.

Andria

Well I tried 90 PG 10 VG for a week and my symptoms stayed the same. So now I'm doing 90 VG 10 PG to see what happens.

I'm at 12mg of nic. I think at this point I should just taper off the nic and quit to see if I start feeling better. In all honesty though I think I'm more addicted to the hand motions and throat hit/lung sensation than the nicotine. Ill have to find a way to deal with that.
 

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Oh and I vape at 12mg consistently with unflavored pg/vg. I've been experimenting with ratios. Vg seems to give me a heavy lung feeling in excess, and pg tends to make my lungs hurt. So I just use a 50/50 mix now Lol

if you vape at high wattage you need to lower the nicotine strength.

for a ballpark figure:
5 watts 20 mg
10 watts 10 mg
25 watts 4 mg
 
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9-10 watts. Heavy flavorings do the same to me, and high-PG makes me feel the same for all of a minute. High-VG makes others feel the same, possibly due to corn or palm allergies. My advice is go pure PG or pure VG, no flavor, lower Nic, see a real doctor if that doesn't help. Benzos can have long-lasting drop-off effects. Most doctors don't ever see your medical history, and almost none read it. They do see where you check the "Anxiety" box on the pre-appt forms.
 
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I'm using an ego battery with a mini rda and a 1.5ohm coil.

I'm not sure what the wattage is on this ego but it's probably not much. I know it's regulated at 3.7v

those things run at around 5 watts.

watts = volts x volts / ohms = 3.7 x 3.7 / 1.5 = 9.1 watts.
 
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