Snohomish Co (WA) follows into the footsteps of CADPH in an attempt to ban vaping

[DrMA]

http://myeverettnews.com/2015/07/06/should-public-vaping-be-banned-in-everett/

WARNING! The "infographic" contains gory, weapons-grade drivel against the harmless & effective vaping alternative to deadly, legal, & FDA-approved smoking. Must have barf bag ready if you view it!

Please follow the link in the article and comment.

 

[nicnik]

http://myeverettnews.com/2015/07/06/should-public-vaping-be-banned-in-everett/

WARNING! The "infographic" contains gory, weapons-grade drivel against the harmless & effective vaping alternative to deadly, legal, & FDA-approved smoking. Must have barf bag ready if you view it!

Please follow the link in the article and comment.

That infographic is a collector's item. It'll be very interesting to historians, some day. Lots of very big lies, including:
"83% of calls to Poison Control in 2014 were for nicotine poisoning in kids 0-3 years", and
"Manufacturers don’t have to tell us what they put in the products, but we know most of it isn’t meant for ingestion. Things like propylene glycol benzene lead cadmium nickel"

 

[this is my name]

I saw one positive message on the infographic!

"8th & 10th graders are 2x more likely to try e-cigs than traditional tobacco cigarettes"

So the kids' lungs are much better off, but this is a bad thing?

 

[caramel]

Things like propylene glycol benzene lead cadmium nickel"

Sounds like they're describing watercolors.

 

[RaccoonChad]

http://myeverettnews.com/2015/07/06/should-public-vaping-be-banned-in-everett/

WARNING! The "infographic" contains gory, weapons-grade drivel against the harmless & effective vaping alternative to deadly, legal, & FDA-approved smoking. Must have barf bag ready if you view it!

Please follow the link in the article and comment.

This is disappointing. That infographic is crawling with citations needed. I'd like to see the samples they used to come to these conclusions. Also, why would they include a non-committal quote from that dude in the CDC? It doesn't confirm anything.

I love how "unbiased" this article is, too.
"But, we're just posing the question!"

Nice to see we're still happy to spread misinformation to people that know nothing about vaping.

 

[DrMA]

This is disappointing. That infographic is crawling with citations needed. I'd like to see the samples they used to come to these conclusions. Also, why would they include a non-committal quote from that dude in the CDC? It doesn't confirm anything.

I love how "unbiased" this article is, too.
"But, we're just posing the question!"

Nice to see we're still happy to spread misinformation to people that know nothing about vaping.

I agree. Please use the survey responses to correct their misinformation
Feedback on Vaping in Public Places - Snohomish Health District Survey

 

[nicnik]

I agree. Please use the survey responses to correct their misinformation
Feedback on Vaping in Public Places - Snohomish Health District Survey

Links to their facebook and twitter pages are provided at the end of the survey. I don't have accounts, but if anyone wants their comments seen by anyone other than the Snohomish Health District, that'd be a good way to go.
https://twitter.com/snohd
Snohomish Health District - Everett, WA - Government Organization | Facebook

 

[RaccoonChad]

I agree. Please use the survey responses to correct their misinformation
Feedback on Vaping in Public Places - Snohomish Health District Survey

Done.

 

[bobwho77]

I agree. Please use the survey responses to correct their misinformation
Feedback on Vaping in Public Places - Snohomish Health District Survey

Took their survey. Downloaded the PDF of their info graphics and deleted it after I was done looking at it. With all the BS that was in it, I think I have to clean my hard drive.

 

[azb8496]

Survey taken. Doesn't seem very democratic if people from out of state can have a say in that county's politics.

 

[DrMA]

Survey taken. Doesn't seem very democratic if people from out of state can have a say in that county's politics.

If they didn't allow out-of-county comments, they couldn't have all their Pharmafia shill buddies insert their regressive anti-vaping opinions. Be assured the usual ANTZ suspects (the body parts & diseases groups: ACS, ALA, AHA, etc.) will submit comments supporting this absurd initiative

 

[nicnik]

Nice article from a radio show guy:

Snohomish County e-cig ban is preposterous
By Jason Rantz, KIRO Radio Host

Snohomish County e-cig ban is preposterous - Jason Rantz | MyNorthwest.com

I wonder if he's seen the Snohomish County Board of Health's infographic?

 

[MotoMudder]

Luckily for me I am a county or two away from Snohomish. The reasoning behind this is just plain stupid.

 

[TheRac25]

"83% of calls to Poison Control in 2014 were for nicotine poisoning in kids 0-3 years"

yeah but what percentage of those calls resulted in needing medical attention? guessing around 0%

 

[choochoogranny]

Am also wondering (1) how many of those Poison Control calls are made by ANTZ, (2) what kind of info the Control is giving out, and (3) your very astute question, TheRac25.

It seems to me that it would be a very smart beginning vaper would cover all bases about the toxicity of something new in their home. Have done it myself in the past when I had children in the house. At one time parents were told to keep ipecac syrup nearby to induce vomiting in case of poisoning. Are parents told that anymore?

 

[nicnik]

yeah but what percentage of those calls resulted in needing medical attention? guessing around 0%

Most of such calls probably just ask how dangerous is it to touch the nic liquid, or asking other safety questions, whether an exposure has occured or not. It's been noted before that those calls are counted in the totals. Your estimate of 0% needing medical attention sounds very accurate, and I'm estimating 100% of callers are given misinformation.

The 83% figure is still a lie. They don't say what "Poison Control" hotline. These sure aren't the national figures which are extremely tiny, I think way, way less than 1%. Maybe it's the Snohomish County Board of Health's own poison control hotline, or some other local one, and maybe the Board members made the calls themselves. My guess is that there were five phony vaping related calls and one legitimate call. Five out of six would be 83%.

The Snohomish County Board of Health is in the business of BIG LIES, such as are smeared all over their vaping infographic. These are not honest or ethical people, obviously, and unless someone has a better explanation, I will continue believeing in my account of how they came to that lie of 83%.

 

[nicnik]

That infographic is a collector's item. It'll be very interesting to historians, some day. Lots of very big lies, including:
"83% of calls to Poison Control in 2014 were for nicotine poisoning in kids 0-3 years", and
"Manufacturers don’t have to tell us what they put in the products, but we know most of it isn’t meant for ingestion. Things like propylene glycol benzene lead cadmium nickel"

They've updated their "What You Need To Know" infographic from version 7 that's been discussed in this thread. They're now on v9:

http://www.snohd.org/Portals/0/Snohd/LIving/files/E-CIG_Banner_2015_07_20-v9_pdfversion.pdf

The old one, v7, is still up:

http://www.snohd.org/Portals/0/Snohd/LIving/files/E-CIG_Banner_2015_03_26-v7.pdf

They've changed the 83% thing from "83% OF CALLS TO POISON CONTROL IN 2014 WERE FOR NICOTINE POISONING IN KIDS 0-3 YEARS" to "83% OF NICOTINE POISONINGS IN CHILDREN REPORTED TO POISON CONTROL IN 2014 WERE KIDS 1-3 YEARS

The only other change is an apparent attempt at correcting grammer, which in reality, changed it from good grammer to poor grammer:

v7: "Manufacturers don’t have to tell us what they put in the products, but we know most of it isn’t meant for ingestion. Things like propylene glycol benzene lead cadmium nickel"
v9:
"Manufacturers don’t have to tell us what they put in the products, but we know most of them aren't meant for ingestion. Things like propylene glycol benzene lead cadmium nickel"