Research claims vape nic more addicting than cig nic
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Same for me. The only thing I've ever "felt" from nicotine was nothing I wanted to feel.
Otherwise, it just makes me "normal" -- whatever that is.
Andria
I am in the same field, and experience EXACTLY what you experience.
I could have written most of that post myself, word for word.
Except for one thing...
Going outside to have a cigarette break is what always helped me to relax and focus.
It had very little to do, if anything, with the nicotine in my case.
Can't speak for anyone else though.
I don't like how people claim nic in e-cigs isn't addictive, especially that video. I tried to quite vaping cold turkey and it was a nic withdrawal hell. It seems dishonest to me, honestly. I got addicted to nic from chewing tobacco. I didn't even smoke so I didn't get the other chemicals. Nicotine is addictive as hell.
Moonbogg, I'm going to suggest you avail yourself of the studies listed and explained over at CASAA.org. One of them covers nicotine addiction of lit tobacco cigarettes vs vaping nicotine and the reasons why. I had no idea a couple of yrs. ago and find it very informative.
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Anecdotal proof for me is if I go a couple hours without vaping, I'm not pulling used wicks and diluting the last little bits of ejuice to drink to get a nic fix. As a smoker I would be .... surfing or walking a few miles to the store to get a pack of smokes.
I do chain vape on a high watt mod but it's because I love, LOVE, the flavor and really enjoy taking guilt free puffs. I've also noticed most of my puffs now are short and more reminiscent of smoking a cigar vs the typical lung hits associated with this type of vaping.
I do chain vape on a high watt mod but it's because I love, LOVE, the flavor and really enjoy taking guilt free puffs. I've also noticed most of my puffs now are short and more reminiscent of smoking a cigar vs the typical lung hits associated with this type of vaping.
Not for me. If I ran out of smokes, there was a five alarm bell that would go off and finding another cigarette required all my resources until I was able to get another puff. With vaping, I've had times where I'd spend a few hours testing zero nic DIY mixes and not felt a bit of withdrawal. Totally different than when I was smoking. I believe at this point I could go zero nic if I wanted to.
That may be so, just like chocolate or binge watching Netflix but is it a dependency like cigarettes. My opinion is not in the slightest. I have the ability to make my ejuice as strong as I want but my last batch I mixed at 2mg. If nicotine alone were so addicting, you'd think I'd be mixing it at 36mg.
On a personal note, nicotine is beneficial for some mental health issues I deal with, thus the reason I keep enough in to stave off the dark moods.
I'm the other way. I don't get anything out of vaping no nic., or even low nic. e-liquid.
That's what works for you. I have a friend who has been vaping 36mg cinnamon for two years. Even drips it. I'd be passed out if I did that! Nicotine is metabolized differently by different folks is the conclusion I come to.
You know... we have no idea who you're talking to, since you aren't using the "reply" button which would automatically include a quote...
Andria
My cuurent ADV guabana 50/50 mix with 12mg on a KT evod mod if that helps.
I'm open suggestions on nic level, watts/ohms etc and trying some new mixes, especially now my subox mini is on its way.
I know green apple 24mg on a kbox mod 0.5ohm 40watt...blew my socks off lol![/QUOTE]
Sorry. BTW I've really learned a lot from you these past couple months that I've been lurking. Nice to meet you.
When people say the nicotine in vaping is not addictive, what they mean is the nicotine in vaping, on its own, will not create dependence. If you already have nicotine dependence, from tobacco use, smoked or otherwise, vaping does help to satiate it.
Back atcha.
If the 12mg is satisfying, no need to change it. I don't really know the Evods, I didn't start with those, but with the Kanger T3S and Mini Protank II, but I think they're all pretty similar. I don't know the subox either; I use strictly rebuildables, but I know in general that as the ohms go down, and/or wattage goes up, you need less nicotine and more airflow. Me, I'm just a tootle puffer, I build coils in the 1.5-1.8 ohms range, and generally run my mods between 8.5 and 10 watts, depending on the atty -- kayfuns are 10w, RDAs usually 8.5 or 9w. I've been at 10mg since I recovered from my relapse last summer, though recently with my new Achilles RDAs, I've dropped to 9mg because the throat-hit is so intense.
Andria
This.
Nicotine Replacement Therapy Labels May Change
Nicotine Replacement Therapy Labels May Change
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"The changes that FDA is allowing to these labels reflect the fact that although any nicotine-containing product is potentially addictive, decades of research and use have shown that NRT products sold OTC do not appear to have significant potential for abuse or dependence."
"The NRT gum and patch products were switched to OTC marketing between 1996 and 2002, based on scientific research showing that these products were safe for use without a prescription. The nicotine lozenge and mini-lozenge were approved directly for OTC use in 2002 and 2009, respectively."
This might surprise you, but there seems to exist no "nicotine addiction" after all. Nicotine alone, without the added effect of the MAOI's present in tobacco smoke, does not seem to be very addictive at all. And let's face it: with the thousands of different substances in tobacco smoke, how could anyone possibly be even remotely sure that nicotine is the *only* culprit?
Nicotine Replacement Therapy Labels May Change
Nicotine Replacement Therapy Labels May Change
Quote:
"The changes that FDA is allowing to these labels reflect the fact that although any nicotine-containing product is potentially addictive, decades of research and use have shown that NRT products sold OTC do not appear to have significant potential for abuse or dependence."
"The NRT gum and patch products were switched to OTC marketing between 1996 and 2002, based on scientific research showing that these products were safe for use without a prescription. The nicotine lozenge and mini-lozenge were approved directly for OTC use in 2002 and 2009, respectively."
And the concern about "people trying nicotine and then moving to smoking" was never there, when never-smokers were treated with nicotine patches. Those treatments were made anyway. And the results afterwards? No withdrawal symptoms, no people keeping using the patch, much less taking up smoking.
There are many Pharma medicines out there with a much greater potencial for addiction than naturally-ocurring nicotine in Nature.
Nicotine Propaganda
Nicotine Propaganda
The Great Nicotine Myth
Is Nicotine Addictive ?
Nicotine Clinical Trials: Why Aren't There Any?
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On one hand, ANTZ's will tell us that there are thousands of different substances in tobacco smoke, and that a lot of them have not even been identified yet. It's the same old "we don't know, therefore it *must* be bad" BS. And how do they "know" those other substances are there, without identifying them first?
On the other hand, they will tell us that "our knowledge of tobacco smoke is so complete today, that we were even been able to identify the *only* addictive substance in tobacco smoke.
Well, which one is it? ANTZ's really need to make up their minds, because they clearly cannot have both.
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On the contrary, one of the things that makes their propaganda so frustrating is that they DO have it both ways. They routinely contradict themselves. Consider how they at one point they claim that smokers "titrate" their dose with exquisite precision, then turn around and claim that manufacturers "spike" cigarettes with nicotine so that smokers supposedly don't know when they're getting more of it - which if they did know would result in their smoking fewer cigarettes and therefore being exposed to fewer of the scary chemicals, etc. etc.On one hand, ANTZ's will tell us that there are thousands of different substances in tobacco smoke, and that a lot of them have not even been identified yet. It's the same old "we don't know, therefore it *must* be bad" BS. And how do they "know" those other substances are there, without identifying them first?
On the other hand, they will tell us that "our knowledge of tobacco smoke is so complete today, that we were even been able to identify the *only* addictive substance in tobacco smoke.
Well, which one is it? ANTZ's really need to make up their minds, because they clearly cannot have both.
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