CALIFORNIA VAPERS: Things are getting ugly...
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Oh, I'm not saying nicotine is harmful at all. However, if I were vape shop that mixed liquids, and I was ordering bulk PG and bulk VG, paying a wholesale tobacco tax on those would not sit well with me. If this were to pass, the only portion of their ingredients I would expect to be taxed would be the nic base.
I agree, it would be quite odd to pay a tobacco tax on bulk VG and PG, it would truly defy logic..
I think most people on this thread aside from Lessifer (he has a valid reason) are fairly well prepared for this should it all turn out badly for us either in CA, the FDA or both. In question to to support for your wife, you live in the wrong country.
E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco estimates landmark review - Press releases - GOV.UKYou don't think people will notice if their $20 30ml bottle suddenly costs $50+? I could barely afford my stuff when I first started (the time it worked). If they'd had that tax back then, it would have been cost prohibitive. It's going to discourage a lot of people from just trying vaping. This will kill people if they go through with it the way it seems to be written now.
I ran across this looking for pictures for the petition thread.
Oh, people will notice. I just meant that looking at a price tag on a bottle of juice it won't be obvious. It won't say: e-liquid $20, tobacco tax $19, total $39.I think most people on this thread aside from Lessifer (he has a valid reason) are fairly well prepared for this should it all turn out badly for us either in CA, the FDA or both. In question to to support for your wife, you live in the wrong country.
You don't think people will notice if their $20 30ml bottle suddenly costs $50+? I could barely afford my stuff when I first started (the time it worked). If they'd had that tax back then, it would have been cost prohibitive. It's going to discourage a lot of people from just trying vaping. This will kill people if they go through with it they it seems to be written now.
I ran across this looking for pictures for the petition thread.
It will be like cigarettes where the price you see is $5, because the retailer bought it for $4 and $1.10 of that $4 went to the Federal Government, and $0.87 went to the state, except now it will be $7 because the state wants $2.87 since even though CA has one of the lowest smoking rates in the nation, we're just not keeping up with everyone else.
You are right about the cost being prohibitive. When many smokers are on either fixed or low incomes, they don't have an "additional" $100 to take a CHANCE on vaping.
Last time they tried to hike the tax, the people voted it down so this time they're just going to bypass the people. Makes perfect sense.
It's insane, even the TC experts know that they've pushed economic motivation as far as it can go. For the most part, the only people still smoking are those who DON'T WANT TO QUIT, or those who CAN'T through "traditional" methods. They are the ones who will continue to smoke and pay the higher costs, or find other ways of getting their smokes, and bypass the tax altogether.
Why Run the Risk of screwing things up by doing the Will of the People if you are an Elected Official?
An Elected Official, who's job it is to Represent the Will of the People.
We'll soon have the Mexican Cigarette Cartel.
ETA - And tax payers were paying for that limo.
Why did they have a limo on call for when they were too drunk to drive? Large egos.
ETA - And tax payers were paying for that limo.
We're expected to be the minions.
Once legislation is "in the books" it's extremely difficult for it to be even changed in any substantial way, let alone removed. This is the strategy of tyranny: it worked with the ACA. Pass the legislation first, and worry about the details later.
They don't have a clue or even a care about what they're doing, except to get the law "on the books".
Right. Our leaders are so concerned about "safety" of our e-liquids. Just imagine how much safer things will be when every vaper in Ca starts stockpiling gallons of 10% nicotine...
Nah, I'll keep you snobs updated, though there may be delaysInteresting.
Do I have to join FB???
I've resisted for so long.
Again, it's still unconfirmed so I wouldn't say we can let up yet.
Just as I thought. Nothing happened, then it will be delayed or tabled indefinitely. Maybe all the money BT has been spending lobbying against these bills has paid off...
Even if one bill were pushed to next year, there are still the other five in play. I know you don't think anyone ever has to do anything about any possible legislation, I just don't really know why you feel the need to keep posting about it.
Or how you still believe it's a non-issue after Arkansas and Indiana
It's absolutely impossible to calculate. It depends on your device, wattage, nicotine strength, your atomizer coil (single or dual), the diameter of the coil, etc.
But I know for a fact that 10 puffs from a cigalike (at 4.5 watts) is nothing like smoking a cigarette.
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