The "They just called ecigs .. Tobacco !!" shaming thread - post links to the screw ups here.

[Digital Doctor]

OK. It is fair to discuss vaping and question it's safety ... vaping is new ... and more research is needed to help create the safest e-cigs out there. I have no problem with that.

But to say vaping has tobacco in it ? Makes me want to pull out my hair.
C'mon. That's not even trying.

I am hoping this thread will help educate people that e-cigs are not "another" tobacco product .. mostly because they well don't have tobacco in them. Pretty simple.

So here is my example ....

Nicotine Promotes Cardiovascular Disease, Benefits of Smoke-Free Products Questioned

It is an older article. Maybe News Agencies and the American Lung Association don't make this mistake anymore ? Not sure.

If you see this mistake somewhere .. try to get them fix the error ... and post a link here !

 

[CarolT]

There's a worse problem here than just calling e-cigs a tobacco product. It's attempting to lie that nicotine causes heart disease. Here's a link to what those clowns eventually published:

Vascul Pharmacol. 2013 Jan;58(1-2):87-97. doi: 10.1016/j.vph.2012.08.003. Epub 2012 Aug 23.
Nicotinic acetylcholine receptor mediates nicotine-induced actin cytoskeletal remodeling and extracellular matrix degradation by vascular smooth muscle cells.
Gu Z, Fonseca V, Hai CM.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3530635/

But they admitted, "However, in the absence of PKC activation, nicotine treatment alone had no apparent effect on the organization of actin stress fibers and focal adhesions in unstimulated (control) A7r5 cells."

So I did a little searching.
PKC cytomegalovirus - PubMed - NCBI

It turns out that cytomegalovirus doesn't need PKC to do those things.

J Virol. 2014 Sep;88(18):10982-5. doi: 10.1128/JVI.01391-14. Epub 2014 Jun 25.
Comparison of effects of inhibitors of viral and cellular protein kinases on human cytomegalovirus disruption of nuclear lamina and nuclear egress.
Sharma M, Coen DM.
Comparison of effects of inhibitors of viral and cellular protein kinases on human cytomegalovirus disruption of nuclear lamina and nuclear egress. - PubMed - NCBI

J Virol. 2014 Jan;88(1):249-62. doi: 10.1128/JVI.02358-13. Epub 2013 Oct 23.
Human cytomegalovirus UL50 and UL53 recruit viral protein kinase UL97, not protein kinase C, for disruption of nuclear lamina and nuclear egress in infected cells.
Sharma M, Kamil JP, Coughlin M, Reim NI, Coen DM.
Human cytomegalovirus UL50 and UL53 recruit viral protein kinase UL97, not protein kinase C, for disruption of nuclear lamina and nuclear egress in... - PubMed - NCBI

So, it's another example of how they ignore the role of infection to falsely blame smoking for diseases caused by infection.

 

[bobwho77]

This could rapidly become the longest thread on ECF

 

[CarolT]

This could rapidly become the longest thread on ECF

It's important to know this, because they'll be trying to lie that nicotine in e-cigs causes heart disease. Meanwhile, practically nobody knows that cytomegalovirus is the single largest known cause of heart disease, which the anti-smokers ignore in order to blame smoking for its effects. Just in case anybody hasn't seen these:

"[T]he most striking finding of Simanek et al.'s study is that the relatively modest OR of CVD associated with CMV infection translates into an estimate of the population attributable risk or attributable fraction of CVD of ∼ 40%... What is striking about this 40% attributable fraction estimate is the implication that eliminating CMV infection would prevent as many CVD cases as the complete removal of smoking and almost twice as many as the elimination of either hypercholesterolaemia or hypertension from the population." (Commentary: Understanding the pathophysiology of poverty. FJ Nieto. Int J Epidemiol 2009 Jun;38(3):787-790.)
Commentary: Understanding the pathophysiology of poverty

Persistent pathogens linking socioeconomic position and cardiovascular disease in the US. AM Simanek, JB Dowd, AE Aiello. Int J Epidemiol 2009 Jun;38(3):775-87.
Persistent pathogens linking socioeconomic position and cardiovascular disease in the US

And the vitally important thing this study couldn't evaluate is the age at which people were infected. An earlier age at infection, for socioeconomic reasons, would account for an earlier onset of heart disease, such as the anti-smokers blame on smoking.

 

[CarolT]

sorry double post

 

[DC2]

This could rapidly become the longest thread on ECF

Exactly. There are literally hundreds of such examples over the last six years.

 

[blue tiki]

"more research" seems to be the buzz word
it's been 12 years
the other are "may, might, could" .............highly definitive scientific terms

 

[nicnik]

"more research" seems to be the buzz word
it's been 12 years
the other are "may, might, could" .............highly definitive scientific terms

You might be right. More googling needed.

 

[nicnik]

No mention of vaping, but related misinformation - Michigan State University shows they're similarly confused, or attempting to confuse, before continuing their article with a Nicotine Replacement Therapy endorsement:

http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/loose_the_butts

Nicotine facts,

• Nicotine addiction is the second-leading cause of death worldwide.
• According to Medscape cigarette smoking kills more than 440,000 Americans each year, with an estimated 49,000 of these deaths from exposure to secondhand smoke.

 

[CarolT]

Here's an even better one:

J Gen Virol. 2006 Oct;87(Pt 10):2849-58.
Human cytomegalovirus-induced reduction of extracellular matrix proteins in vascular smooth muscle cell cultures: a pathomechanism in vasculopathies?
Reinhardt B1, Winkler M, Schaarschmidt P, Pretsch R, Zhou S, Vaida B, Schmid-Kotsas A, Michel D, Walther P, Bachem M, Mertens T.
Author information
Abstract
Human cytomegalovirus (HCMV) infection appears to be linked to the pathogenesis of atherosclerosis. An association between HCMV infection and an enhanced restenosis rate as well as the induction of vasculopathies after solid organ transplantation has been documented. Knowledge of the cellular and molecular basis of these findings is limited, however. By Northern blot and RT-PCR analysis of human foreskin fibroblasts (HFF) and human coronary artery smooth muscle cells (SMC), we identified extracellular matrix (ECM) genes that were downregulated after HCMV infection, including collagen typeI and fibronectin. Quantitative immunoassays showed a significant reduction of soluble collagen type I and fibronectin proteins in supernatants of both cell types. This was shown to be a direct effect of HCMV infection and not due to a response to interferons released from infected cells, since neutralization of alpha and beta interferon activity could not block virus-induced downregulation of matrix proteins. As the amount of ECM depends on both synthesis and degradation, we also assessed the influence of HCMV on the activity of matrix metalloproteinases (MMP). Interestingly, a significant difference in virus-induced matrix degradation could be shown between the two cell types. HCMV upregulated MMP-2 protein and activity in SMC but not in HFF. Thus, HCMV infection of SMC reduces ECM dramatically by inducing two independent mechanisms that influence synthesis as well as degradation of ECM. These may represent molecular mechanisms for HCMV-induced pathogenesis of inflammatory vasculopathies and may facilitate dissemination of HCMV by promoting the detachment of infected cells in vivo.
Society for General Microbiology Journals | Human cytomegalovirus-induced reduction of extracellular matrix proteins in vascular smooth muscle cell cultures: a pathomechanism in vasculopathies?

 

[nicnik]

Look how much "nicotine-stained" appears in news media:
nicotine-stained - Google Search

It's the tar, not the nicotine that stains. (I bet when smoking machines smoke e-cigs to a burnt crist like they have a passion for doing, they get some nasty stains in the process.)

 

[stevegmu]

My e-liquid has nicotine, which is a tobacco product. Of course it has a tobacco product in it, thus can be called a tobacco product...

 

[caramel]

My e-liquid has nicotine, which is a tobacco product. Of course it has a tobacco product in it, thus can be called a tobacco product...

My car has oil in it, thus can be called a petroleum product.

 

[caramel]

I also heard that some cheats, trying to avoid petroleum regulations and gasoline taxes, came up with electric cars. Fortunately glorious government figured out that they still need to employ some plastic parts, at least as wire insulators, and could deem said cars as "petroleum products" nevertheless.

Eat that, tax cheats!

And you can't fool us on air pollution either! You still make fumes at the factory! Not to speak of the formaldehyde in that "new car smell"! Children under 18 will not be allowed in cars newer than 10 years!

Also passengers on front seat(s) will need a valid driving license, since they look like driving.