FDA FDA's leaked guidance for PMTAs confirm deeming reg would ban >99.9% of nicotine vapor products
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These days I use the same mod and rda every day all day. I even vape one flavor. I'm stuck on temp control. I'll get a few, give them a week or 2 of testing then store until what I'm using stops working. May be I'll never need them but it's stupid to have the vulnerability when insurance is so cheap. I'll store some rda's unused to preserve the threading. It comes down to atomizers, mods, and nic. 3 bottles of nic should last me 10 years but if I really need them they won't because I'll take care of my brother no matter what so it's really 5 years. Hopefully all this will turn out to be unnecessary. May be someday I'll have to throw out some over aged nic but I bet it will keep as long as I need it to in the freezer. So I'm on my way to Pluto, how much vaping stuff do I need to take and how do I make it last?I've done some of each. I have 16 mechs. I don't know yet how long a regulated mod can last, but I figure if properly stored I may have enough for 2 decades
What I've found is that once the OP's ideas are given due consideration and discussion, there's a lot of things (drivel) that can derail a thread - there is nothing more frequent an invocation on these forums than "BT" and "BP" - anti-corporate/anti-business mentality. And yet many of those who like to bring it up on every thread, smoked for decades - they loved BT's products - they hated the prices - prices due mainly to taxes. As far as "BP" goes - I'm guessing very few will opt out of prescription drugs or chemo therapy if that ever becomes the situation - and yet despite having been and perhaps will be willing customers, that won't stop the hatred even though the latter may save their lives. And those are political tags. So when someone points that out - they're the bad guys according to what you're saying. A lot of times, I, for one, am trying to get the train back on the track, sometimes it takes a long route to do it. But by some comments and the 'likes' some seem to enjoy the trip. This:
FDA's leaked guidance for PMTAs confirm deeming reg would ban >99.9% of nicotine vapor products
.... is a pretty nice compliment. Greatly appreciated.
Can't please everyone though :- )
Some people in news media forum seem to think it perfectly ok (and non-political) to say 'I hate Fox News, but have to agree with Greg Gutfeld's views on ecigs.' But if I (or someone else) would do the same regarding NPR, then I'm being 'political'. I understand it and expect it. And I think I mix up the subjects fairly well - yes they have a common strain - just like BT and BP and other progressive concepts do, but even with them not always the same take. I try to tailor it to the subject, comment or question.
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I doubt it warrants an entire section, but someone could certainly start a fresh thread on the subject in General Vaping Discussion.
I'd like to discuss both of those points, but I don't think this thread is the right place to do so.The fine point I've identified is to buy mods without boards and wires
Quality batteries are always a good investment though
So what are the stockpiling strategies in light of an uncertain future?
When Should We Start Stockpiling Nicotine?
So should we start stockpiling in preparation for the ban?
Informed Opinion on Stockpiling E-Juice?
Are you stockpiling / hoarding due to fear of the upcoming FDA announcement?
USA: Is Now the Time to Stockpile? What is your strategy for when the time does come?
Should I go on?
The oldest one--from 2009...
If they banned ecigs, would you stockpile?
Well, I did say "fresh". All but one of those threads is expired (no longer open for replies) and that one that's open hasn't seen any traffic on close to two weeks. But since it IS open, I'll take the mods and batteries thing there.
Well, I did say "fresh". All but one of those threads is expired (no longer open for replies) and that one that's open hasn't seen any traffic on close to two weeks. But since it IS open, I'll take the mods and batteries thing there.
Yeah, but it doesn't really matter. The same conversation we've been having here since 2009. Or was it 2008? Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. Especially when it comes to government regulations.
Were there any mechanical mods available to buy before the 2007 deeming date. If yes it's worth establishing that. If the FDA makes all the regulated mods go away there would be a lot more battery accidents with mech mods.
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In the good old days this could be true. Unfortunately the FDA's proposed Intended Use regulations
will cover virtually anything out there now and into the future. Correct me if I am wrong.
Assuming Intended Use is for deemed tobacco products this would spell the end to paraphenalia.
Such items marked intended for tobacco use only. (wink,wink) The FDA could assert its
authority using the new Intended Use doctrine as this tobacco product is not intended
to be used for tobacco and therefore not a tobacco product. I don't know if that would
make them illegal but, it would certainly open the door for future regulations to ban
them for what they are. I know the government has been harshly criticized for this faux pas
in the past.
Regards
Mike
Sure, but there are always newer folks who'd prefer to discuss things in real time rather than wade though stale threads and operate on the assumption that the information contained therein is still the best available and still applicable in the current context.Yeah, but it doesn't really matter. The same conversation we've been having here since 2009. Or was it 2008? Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. Especially when it comes to government regulations.
Good morning. There's this wonderful thing called advanced search I love. Good luck.
Good luck.
I'm pretty sure I posted this Before, but here is the Technical Project Lead Review (TPL) for Swedish Match's PMTA that was Recently Approved.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/TobaccoProductReviewEvaluation/UCM472123.pdf
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/TobaccoProductReviewEvaluation/UCM472123.pdf
The FDA is so backwards. They approve tons of things that are completely harmful for humans, but when something cans that can benefit the american people, they ban it.
Does the hawk bow before the mouse?
As I read this, there are 14 pages of comments on this forum topic, possibly 50 people commenting, and another 50 reading the comments. 100 to 150 people people involved, max, on a pretty significant vaping site.
I will keep prodding people to contact local politicians and Congress, do so myself, and the 100+ people reading will also do so, but the US is 360 million people, and the FDA like all government agencies, have been appointed and given the power to define and mandate maximums or limits that citizens of the United States must live by nationwide.
I'm willing to bet that very few people contacted Alderman in the City of Chicago, or members of Congress regarding vaping regulation and taxation. Jan 1, 2016, retailers in the City of Chicago are going to be passing along a 55 cent per ml tax on ALL vape juice sold within city limits.
Is time running out...or is it already up? If we are to successfully meet all of these issues head on, we need to have passion, deep funding, and citizens who vape to go to the vape shops to hand out literature to each customer for weeks to organize and inform, for us to have anywhere near a successful campaign. We are accomplishing little to nothing.
I just posted a comment and I think it is what we need to do. Get organized at the shop and show level, and motivate people to show up at their Alderman, State Official, or Congressman's office to drill the point home.
I suggest the creation of a PREPPER forum category where people can talk about riding out all regulations, City, State and Federal, should they come to bear.
Good points. And if we mire ourselves in politics we lose 9of10 vapers out there. So it has to be on point. A powerful point. What I've gotten from this community in 2-1/2 years…vapers, vendors, activists...is we'll keep on vapin'. But the constituency (vapers) have no legal standing in this struggle. We're not engaged. The uncommitted must be put on notice that there was a ticket at the door, one that beyond kickin' means defending the right to stay quit. Well that laundry ticket's come due, or we all lose.
Pick up on this post and CASAA's survey and follow the several questions on this theme.
We haven't sent the message we're all feeling. So they don't. It needs to be heard loud and clear…we will not quit. We won't settle for an attenuated semblance of what has worked for us…and pay for the privilege. I believe in the effectiveness of the e-cig. I believe the stats and the surveys. We will make our own way.
We've got lot's of material to work with like the powerful video's out of CA and the feature A Billion Lives to name a few that serve to help guide vaper's and non-vapers. These are the reasons. But the outcome we intend is what we need them to repeat. To everyone. We've been posing the question to each other for years. But we're preaching to the choir. Time to change the direction of that voice.
We move ourselves out of the path of the regulator's bullet, we leave them shooting blanks. Deploy this theme because we must. It's the truth. But the more it gains momentum, the better the argument and power. The longer we wait, the harder it will be and its relative effectiveness less. Transition from capitalization to production of alternatives happens rapidly today. So we can't count on any continuity of products when the hammer can be dropped at any time. Once government realizes the power of this theme, then support for extending existing retailing will be seen as antithetical. We have a delicate road to travel I feel as momentum must build quickly. Faster than they are prepared to respond. They'll ponder rapid roll-out (approvals) for alternatives although I don't believe they want to ban but to transition. Yet this is a sticky problem for them. Government is a lumbering tank constrained by its own process and real fear of exposure for its intentions. We with social media are light speed. Let's use it!
The uncommitted vaper is the mission. We the vaping constituency must get a foot in the door to this fight.
And the word NO carries a lot of weight.
The alternative? The rancid stigmatization of smokers. Welcome back old friend.
Not to decide is to decide.
Good luck.
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Good points. And if we mire ourselves in politics we lose 9of10 vapers out there. So it has to be on point. A powerful point. What I've gotten from this community in 2-1/2 years…vapers, vendors, activists...is we'll keep on vapin'. But the constituency (vapers) have no legal standing in this struggle. We're not engaged. The uncommitted must be put on notice that there was a ticket at the door, one that beyond kickin' means defending the right to stay quit. Well that laundry ticket's come due, or we all lose.
Pick up on this post and CASAA's survey and follow the several questions on this theme.
We haven't sent the message we're all feeling. So they don't. It needs to be heard loud and clear…we will not quit. We won't settle for an attenuated semblance of what has worked for us…and pay for the privilege. I believe in the effectiveness of the e-cig. I believe the stats and the surveys. We will make our own way.
We've got lot's of material to work with like the powerful video's out of CA and the feature A Billion Lives to name a few that serve to help guide vaper's and non-vapers. These are the reasons. But the outcome we intend is what we need them to repeat. To everyone. We've been posing the question to each other for years. But we're preaching to the choir. Time to change the direction of that voice.
We move ourselves out of the path of the regulator's bullet, we leave them shooting blanks. Deploy this theme because we must. It's the truth. But the more it gains momentum, the better the argument and power. The longer we wait, the harder it will be and its relative effectiveness less. Transition from capitalization to production of alternatives happens rapidly today. So we can't count on any continuity of products when the hammer can be dropped at any time. Once government realizes the power of this theme, then support for extending existing retailing will be seen as antithetical. We have a delicate road to travel I feel as momentum must build quickly. Faster than they are prepared to respond. They'll ponder rapid roll-out (approvals) for alternatives although I don't believe they want to ban but to transition. Yet this is a sticky problem for them. Government is a lumbering tank constrained by its own process and real fear of exposure for its intentions. We with social media are light speed. Let's use it!
The uncommitted vaper is the mission. We the vaping constituency must get a foot in the door to this fight.
And the word NO carries a lot of weight.
The alternative? The rancid stigmatization of smokers. Welcome back old friend.
Not to decide is to decide.
Good luck.
Great post! I follow A Billion Lives on Twitter. They should release that film for FREE everywhere they can, especially on Hulu, Netflix, and YouTube. The more that see it as fast as possible, we may be able to do something.
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