To what problems are you referring? The (infrequent) mechanical or electronic failures? Certainly you can't mean problematic juice.
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To what problems are you referring? The (infrequent) mechanical or electronic failures? Certainly you can't mean problematic juice.
I think it's supposedly 55 cents Chicago tax, plus 20 cents Cook County tax = 75 cents per ml, until Illinois tries again and succeeds in adding a State tax.Hey... This is OT.
But have People seen what is going on in "My Sweet Home... Chicago"
Chicago to TAX 95 Cents Per ML!
Check out this thread on reddit. I think RaltSig150 has got it right:After googling carbon dioxide it seems that burning any carbon-based substance would produce it.
And further googling is trying to tell me that medicinal products produce five times more than tobacco smoke.
I don't know if I believe that, nor does it matter to the discussion.
As someone who currently uses medicinal products to help me sleep on very rare occasion...
I can certainly attest to getting a very real buzz from said products...
And if carbon monoxide is part of that buzz, I can assure you it gets lost in the mix.
Why Don't I Get a Buzz Like Conventional Cigs? • /r/electronic_cigarette
I don't have one but read that the Vuse has an 808 thread or something based on 808. And that there are hacks to fill it on youtube and elsewhere.
Not at all like 808. Plus, it's snap-on. And yup, I learned what I needed to do to refill it by watching a youtube video.
Hmmm may be the earlier versions were 808-like. lol on refill....
Don't get me wrong. I'm rooting for them in some of their efforts. Against them in some.
If applications for them are allowed - still doubtful, imo, then I still don't think it will be any substitute for the cigarette tax/msa tax. But it may be helpful to some, just not me :- )
Can't quote Closed Threads directly. So here it is...
"BTW - I will make a Prediction, Today. So get out your Chisels and Carve this one in Stone.
I Predict that the RJR Vuse will be one of the 1st FDA Approved e-Cigarettes."
Post #40 in Big 3 tobacco makers want FDA to ban vapor e-cigs
"BTW - I will make a Prediction, Today. So get out your Chisels and Carve this one in Stone.
I Predict that the RJR Vuse will be one of the 1st FDA Approved e-Cigarettes."
Post #40 in Big 3 tobacco makers want FDA to ban vapor e-cigs
From Vuse FAQ's.
Are VUSE Cartridges tamper-resistant?
Yes. VUSE Cartridges are designed to prevent modification by consumers.
and
Are VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes considered tobacco products?
Yes. Because VUSE products contain tobacco-derived nicotine, they meet the definition of tobacco products under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act. The Food and Drug Administration has stated its intent to regulate these types of products as tobacco products.
VUSE – Digital Vapor Cigarettes
I am willing to bet less than 5% of juice makers are going to go for ISO standard clean room facilities.
for one its an unnecessary expense. Health and safety standards for handling food at the local level
are more than sufficient to produce e-juice commercially. The standard reply that one just need to
look in any restaurant kitchen is inapplicable. What kind of mess do you think measuring liquid ingredients
into a container and mixing is going to make? E-juice was,is and, is always going to be as easy and safe
to make as Kool-Aid.
This ISO clean room stuff is hog wash. The larger companies that are doing it either have inside info
or, are using their resources to gain market share in the hypochondriac segment of the market.
I believe Johnson Creek is making juice for BT already. I could be wrong but, have read this in
several posts elsewhere. I may be confusing this with the company in Indiana that does.
This clean room stuff is pure ANTZ propaganda to give the appearance that e-juice and
vaping in general is dangerous to not only do but,also dangerous to manufacture.
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Mike
You're missing my point just to be contrary. I never said they would. I was pointing out how can
they expect to maintain a market share if vaping and smoking were allowed to co-exist.
Eventually as smokers switched to vaping and, I believe a majority would if the market
is allowed to mature, where are the new smokers going to come from? Most new non
tobacco using vapers use zero nic. They would have to insure a steady influx of new
smokers to keep the ball rolling. That means underage smokers. If vaping is allowed
to become more mainstream I for one will not assume that our young people will
stick with smoking when a clear alternative is available. Recent trends bare me out.
Regards
mike
I agree, though I think it's primarily from nicotine -- when I was first trying vaping at diff tasting bars, I tried one or two flavors that they only had for tasting in 12mg... and when I got up off the stool, I nearly fell back down with the dizziness. I'm at 5.5mg now, and if I vaped some 12mg, I'd get dizzy, and then nauseous if I didn't stop right away.
When I first tried WTA, with the added alkaloids including the MAOIs, it did NOT make me feel any particular way at all -- except I didn't have cravings; the vape experience itself is no different at all.
Andria
You're missing my point just to be contrary. I never said they would. I was pointing out how can
they expect to maintain a market share if vaping and smoking were allowed to co-exist.
Eventually as smokers switched to vaping and, I believe a majority would if the market
is allowed to mature, where are the new smokers going to come from? Most new non
tobacco using vapers use zero nic. They would have to insure a steady influx of new
smokers to keep the ball rolling. That means underage smokers. If vaping is allowed
to become more mainstream I for one will not assume that our young people will
stick with smoking when a clear alternative is available. Recent trends bare me out.
Regards
mike
Hey you were the One who Suggested that "they" would have to put Addictive Chemicals in e-Liquids to keep Never-Smokers hooked not me.
You say that Most Never-Smokers use 0mg. Great. Post where you are Getting this Data From.
Lastly, You want to talk about Theoretics if the e-Cigarette market was "allowed to mature". But that Isn't going to happen. The e-Cigarette market Is going to be Regulated.
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Or, for a generic no member reference quote…
Both link back to the original post.
Hope this helps. G'luck.
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Hope this helps. G'luck.
Yeah... I could have done that. But I'm pretty Lazy before I have had my Coffee. Especially on a Sunday's.
I think there are probably a good many never-smokers who do use nicotine, for the benefits that nicotine provides but that they were unwilling to smoke, to get -- but they may claim to use 0mg on this forum, due to all the ignorant flaming they receive if they mention that they're a never-smoker who vapes nicotine.
Andria
LOL, I just showed ya how to misattribute crap spoofin' other members. Never mind. My bad.
G'luck.
My bad.G'luck.
Better than microdosin' hallucinagens mebe. Just sayin'.
G'luck.p.s. I'm almost 0-nic myself in high output gear. Still can handle a bit over 12mg occasionally for sampling and comparison.
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