Canadians manage to do it.
Huh? You're gonna need to elaborate a lil.
Canada isn't under the TCA, other countries are not required to follow our laws.
Canadians manage to do it.
I'm not pulling myself back into this ridiculous discussion, I just want to ask one question. And it's not really directed at you Rossum, but ties into your point.
What enforcement action would they take against a person "manufacturing" products for personal use, and what violation would they be accused of?
Nope. They have their own laws that make it illegal. Yet somehow, people manage to get it. Just like people in the US manage to get all manner of substances that are illegal here. Nature abhors a vacuum. If there's a demand, there will be a supply, the only real questions are the price (which is determined by the amount of risk involved in providing the supply) and the quality.Huh? You're gonna need to elaborate a lil.
Canada isn't under the TCA, other countries are not required to follow our laws.
Nope. They have their own laws that make it illegal. Yet somehow, people manage to get it. Just like people in the US manage to get all manner of substances that are illegal here. Nature abhors a vacuum. If there's a demand, there will be a supply, the only real questions are the price (which is determined by the amount of risk involved in providing the supply) and the quality.
Not necessarily, it's another gray-area that they're not answering.
Distribution can simply be defined as someone else obtaining your stuff, whether you're aware if it or not.
What protections?
Show me the regs that are protecting you.
Show me the law that says DIY is exempt.
That's correct, but I don't understand your point?
Nice try but the folks who would smuggle it would likely source it overseas, and bring it through themselves. It can be obtained. Remember these are people who don't give a crap about he law. Such is the nature of a black market.Where are they gonna get their nicotine from if they can't smuggled it in?
Moot point, no black market if you cannot obtain nicotine suitable for vaping.
Ya know what... Were kinda in a Loop here.
Your Interpretation of the FSTPCA is that it can be Extended to Individuals who are using a Tobacco Product for Personal Use.
It Doesn't Really Matter what the previous FDA thinks/thought they can do. Or what the FDA chooses to Tell or Not Tell a Non-Stakeholder. What Matters is what the Court(s) say the FDA can/can not do.
Just like they did in the Food and Drug Administration v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp., et al.
And just like they did in Sottera Inc. v. U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
So I guess we will have to leave this Informative "Debate" as Undecided.
Personal use has absolutely ZERO to do with registering.
You can use it however you want, you just can't distribute it or allow someone else to obtain it.
The FDA isn't going to sanction DIY'ers for personal use, it'll never happen...even if registration is required.
Personal use is NOT the issue, it's distribution.
They're not willing to answer specific questions pertaining to possible future registration and/or current distribution issues (misplaced, thrown-away, given away, stolen, whatever).
Nobody knows who the FDA is gonna crucify for DIY unauthorized distribution, can't get any answers from them.
For the time being, and until the courts say otherwise, the laws stand how they're written.
Was waiting for you to spit out that hook.It was Worth It just to get out of this Thread.
It was Worth It just to get out of this Thread.
Yes, 75 mg per day. 5 ml/day * 15 mg/ml = 75 mg/day. Not 75 mg/ml.
I worked mine out to about 25 mg a day. I vape a lot just VERY low nic juice.I'm at about the same total but reversed. 15ml/day*5mg/ml
Canadians manage to do it.
Here is an excerpt from an Interesting Article...
The FDA’s Deeming Rule was designed to extend the agency’s regulatory authority over a variety of tobacco products, which greatly impacts the vape industry. However, the recent clarification from FDA attorneys appears to confirm that the Deeming Rule does not extend to e-liquids that are either nicotine-free, or not made or derived from tobacco, when marketed and sold appropriately
FDA Makes Statements on Synthetic Nicotine - Convenience Store Decisions
If there is even a Question as to whether or Not the FDA has Legal Authority over TFN Nicotine, how much farther will the FDA have to Overreach to include Pure PG and or Pure VG sold as such?
[PROPOSED] ORDER Upon consideration of Defendants’ cross-motion for summary judgment, it is hereby ORDERED that the motion is GRANTED; and it is FURTHER ORDERED that Plaintiffs’ motions for summary judgment are DENIED; and it is FURTHER ORDERED that judgment is entered in favor of Defendants, and against Plaintiffs, on all claims raised in the complaints.
Whoops...looks like Nicopure lost their battle (Aug 2016):
http://www.clivebates.com/documents/FDAresponse.pdf
My friend... I think this lake has been all fished out.Whoops...looks like Nicopure lost their battle (Aug 2016):
http://www.clivebates.com/documents/FDAresponse.pdf
My friend... I think this lake has been all fished out.