very interesting read, i haven't seen any numbers in the UK of what percentage of vapors totally quit smoking but from what i see with my own eyes is the percentage is a lot higher than the numbers in the essay for the US.
I haven't tried the Juul yet, the only cigalike I tried was a Blu, and it left a lot to be desired. What actually helped me quit was a eleaf istick pico, which is a great starter kit and even though I have a LOT of different mods, is still my go to advI think the vaping community probably feels pretty positive about Juul! It's a great device.
Thank you for sharing this. I agree that comparing 2009 to 2017 in vaping isn't really going to work well. They might as well try to compare the AM/FM original Sony Walkman to the latest smart phone. Research studies are always going to be behind by the time they get published, and if they involve technology, they will be horribly outdated because the devices they are reviewing have changed considerably during that time.
The cigalike kit devices may not be enough to get smokers to switch completely, but I think many of us started there and got the idea that vaping might work if we got something better. If the governments kill vaping now, it will be extremely hard for today's smokers to find the more customisable devices many of us use now. I really think all of the anti's need to back off a bit and give vaping enough time to do some real long-term studies. I think we have enough anecdotal evidence that it might really be safer and more effective as a tool to get people off cigarettes.
I prefer customisable to advanced as a way to describe the products many of us on ECF use because I think the ability to customise our gear to suit our tastes is what got many of us to switch completely. The kits may not help all of the people that are ready to switch if they don't offer the bits and pieces that each smoker needs to get off the cigarettes. We joke in here about MTL is beginner and sub-ohm DL is advanced, but really it comes down to whatever it takes to keep us happy and off the burning tobacco.
I was watching a Chantix commercial on TV a few days ago and thought it was rather interesting that they were comparing it to gums, patches, and other BP quitting methods and saying that their pills will help those people that couldn't quit with the officially endorsed aids. They didn't mention that they tried to compare it to vaping, and all I could do was think, "Hmmmmmm...."
Hello all - new member.My friend Amelia and I wrote the first of a two-part essay on how existing research methods into smoking cannot result in an understanding of vape, or new technology generally.
Amelia is a PHD candidate at the University of Waterloo, Canada. She has a particular interest in the social, political and cultural dimensions of expert knowledge-making in science and technology.
She's one of the most interesting thinkers I know, so writing this with her has been a real privilege.
Have a read!
Is vaping sticky enough? And how can we tell?
I see it the opposite way. For what I used to spend on smoking in a few months, I ordered enough supplies to last many years. It used to make my skin crawl when I opened the last pack in a carton because it meant I only had about half a day to get out and find more, and since I preferred a less popular variety, finding 'mine' could be hit-or-miss and involve trying several places. Knowing that I have everything I need to mix more juice anytime I start to run low has eliminated a recurring source of stress in my life.I do agree having to order stuff is a faff - I'd love it if I could get my stuff at a supermarket but I can't so I have to plan ahead.
I see it the opposite way. For what I used to spend on smoking in a few months, I ordered enough supplies to last many years. It used to make my skin crawl when I opened the last pack in a carton because it meant I only had about half a day to get out and find more,
I was in Las Vegas with a horrible cold, made worse by the fact I smoked, felt really awful, and someone in a mall there was selling the new 'e-cigs'. I'd never heard of them before, and the ones he had for sale were VERY expensive. So when I came home, I googled them, found ECF, got advice and ordered a 510 from cignot (the basic old 510). Took me about a week to get used to it, and after a couple of weeks on it cigs tasted NASTY. Took about a month to get over the dry mouth/throat though - after that, I never went back. You're right about the cig-panic though, I do remember that and it feels the same if I get low on attys these days. Not been tempted to go back - tried one after a month on the 510 and almost threw up.Wow, 7 years! Don't know what you found that worked for you 7 years ago, but I tried N-Joy about that time, and couldn't stick with that. With the quality that's out there now, quitting smoking was so easy I feel like I'm cheating. First couple of weeks were tough, and there was a learning curve for juice, equipment, wattage, and even how to hit it...but it wasn't too long before I enjoyed vaping more than smoking. I let myself have a cig just to try at the 3 month anniversary, and although I didn't absolutely hate it, it did leave a nasty taste in my mouth and gave me a headache, even though i didn't finish it.
Well, glad you found something that worked. I had no idea that ECF was around that long ago!I was in Las Vegas with a horrible cold, made worse by the fact I smoked, felt really awful, and someone in a mall there was selling the new 'e-cigs'. I'd never heard of them before, and the ones he had for sale were VERY expensive. So when I came home, I googled them, found ECF, got advice and ordered a 510 from cignot (the basic old 510). Took me about a week to get used to it, and after a couple of weeks on it cigs tasted NASTY. Took about a month to get over the dry mouth/throat though - after that, I never went back. You're right about the cig-panic though, I do remember that and it feels the same if I get low on attys these days. Not been tempted to go back - tried one after a month on the 510 and almost threw up.
"The voice of vaping since 2007"I had no idea that ECF was around that long ago!