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I'm convinced that the anti smoking/vaping are infiltrating this place with ridiculous claims.

This OP reaks of anti smokers trolling. Remember in the beginning? I remember the fighting. Some of us joined that anti smoking forum, the one where they said we are still smoking. And were rude if we tried to educate. Then there was that whole thing worried about kids taking up vaping...

What's the rubber teeth thing?

Here we go again. :glare: Before you start another public panic, that will be swooped up by the media, government, and millions of uninformed citizens, why don't you do some testing. Stop the vaping. Nosebleeds continue? There's your answer. Nosebleeds discontinue? Start vaping...

Very excellent point. While it's harder for us to get what we need, we're savvy enough to do so. We aren't their concern. Getting this stuff out of the hands of the masses is the goal. Most of them wouldn't know where to go.

Lol. Feds don't need to be members to read these forums.

Yeah, they created the public outcrie and damage before releasing that. It's too late now.

I don't plan on quitting. If I do, then I do. The only plan I had was to reduce nic levels, which I've been successful at. As it stands, I've reduced by half, from 24 to 12 in ten years.

I never said anything of the sort, nor did I say I'd sacrifice anyone. They do it all themselves. Case closed.

While I agree with all you've said below this statement, I made my statement for a reason. Maybe not a very good reason, but a reason nonetheless. This man has been twisting my words since he began.

Now I understand why you identify so much with the stupid people.

Do stupid things, get stupid prizes. I'm angry as hell that we're being played as the scapegoat.

I'd say that's too bad. I didn't force my family member to vape tainted carts. I didn't even hand him/her one. I've tried it, and it hurt my chest. So I don't touch it. That's smart.

No, that has nothing to do with your post. Yours just happens to be inbetween.

I didn't say that. I said the lying gets no sympathy from me. That analogy to guns is backwards. I WANT to see these bans lifted. Realize that with no more illnesses and mass vape bans, these two will be linked with titanium chains, and supplies will become fewer and fewer.

3 or 6 doesn't cut it for me. "That's the nicotine addiction." I know Einstein, go bother BT and leave me alone. Yeah, non smokers think they're so much better and smarter than us, don't they. Anyway, I digress. Eventually I cut from 24 to 18, and 12 seems a bit much for me, but 6 was...

I know. That's why I said it. Don't get me wrong, it's sad when people die. But I'm not responsible for ignorant decisions. It's Darwinist. We all know that vaping made our lives better. A nice hobby, a healthier body. When a kid says he only did what we do, we know he's lying, and...

Back to basics. We'll mix our own, supply each other, just like the old days. They all don't even know how it started with underground vapers.

Good point. As long as I'm aware on how to make my juice the way I want it, and have the equipment to last, i secretly want to see this epidemic rise. After they remove the "cause", and see death tolls rise, people will then realize how stupid they are. OK, not such a secret anymore.

Has anyone noticed that the illnesses have ceased being reported on, that the handful would appear to be it? Has anyone else linked this to possibly bad carts just sprinkled into the black market, enough to create a panic by sacrificing a few for the bigger picture?