Hmmm, I don't believe your opinion, got anything to back it up? Sounds like you're just making an assumption. I actually quit analogs almost 5 years ago and got into vaping recently for the medicinal benefit of PG/VG and nicotine.
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Hmmm, I don't believe your opinion, got anything to back it up? Sounds like you're just making an assumption. I actually quit analogs almost 5 years ago and got into vaping recently for the medicinal benefit of PG/VG and nicotine.
Oh no, sorry, my post wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the other quoted post. Yours was spot on.
I don't even think it's 'most people' - so many here try to push through the ad populum fallacy. There is no 'society at large' - it's just individuals. There may be some consensus of individuals but I don't even agree with that. All the people I know, smokers, non-smokers - would say I'd rather see you vaping than smoking.
Where the so called "majority" against ecigs exists, is in health care, specifically TC field, gov't and the main stream media, which sometimes makes it look like a majority.... and the people who think that anything the main stream media says is true and want to be part of the false majority - mainly the faux non-conforming, (but obsessively conforming) youth and liberals in general.
What's assumed to be the 'majority' in this case, and in most cases, is the group with the biggest megaphone.
Simply that they happen to be the the loudest group doesn't mean they're right, just that they're the loudest.
It's amazing that people don't understand this basic distinction.
Simply that they happen to be the the loudest group doesn't mean they're right, just that they're the loudest.
It's amazing that people don't understand this basic distinction.
It is pretty easy to Google opinion polls concerning how non vapers view vaping...
And if you're a conformist (in order to have some opinion on something, rather than your own) then you're going to fall for what is posted as the "majority opinion". 99% of the people at one time thought the earth was flat. And they felt very 'comfortable' in saying so
... even smug. 
Normally I would agree with you, even though I am one of those dreaded liberals. Unfortunately I don't think this is true for tobacco. While many are open to the idea of THR when you have a one on one conversation with them, the notion that smoking is akin to forcing nuns to kill puppies is deeply ingrained in our society as a whole. Even many smokers AND vapers have a deep seeded hatred of tobacco, and are convinced there has to be something harmful about vaping, because it resembles smoking. When questioned, they are hard pressed to come up with any factual evidence for this idea, but many are still unable to let go of it.
Oh yeah, the thread.... let me remember, it wasn't about google searches, nor nicotine toxicity, it was about 3452 americans out of 318.9 millions that were sufficiently concerned by smoking and vaping as to sign a petition....
Perhaps I should post some Czech public opinion polls, as they would be as relevant as polling data from the UK is to this thread...
Here's one from the US--
Americans don't want kids vaping...
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Here's one from the US--
Americans don't want kids vaping...
tobaccofreekids
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Two-Thirds of Americans OK With E-Cig Use In Their Personal Space, Survey Finds | Business Wire
Study Reveals the Public's Overestimation E-Cigarette Risks
E-cigarette vapor not annoying to most Americans, national study finds
While searching for those I found this unrelated but funny article pointing out how the "flavors are to attract kids" is straight-up manipulation to sway public opinion :
E-Cig Flavors … for Kids?
And the gullible, can't-think-for-themselves public are buying it, in disturbing numbers.
Something else I noticed while searching for public opinion on vaping and ecigs - go back a year or two and most articles indicate the public is in favor (obviously understanding, to some degree, that it MUST be less harmful than smoking). Fast forward to today and those numbers are flipping. Sad.
Two-Thirds of Americans OK With E-Cig Use In Their Personal Space, Survey Finds | Business Wire
Study Reveals the Public's Overestimation E-Cigarette Risks
E-cigarette vapor not annoying to most Americans, national study finds
While searching for those I found this unrelated but funny article pointing out how the "flavors are to attract kids" is straight-up manipulation to sway public opinion :
E-Cig Flavors … for Kids?
And the gullible, can't-think-for-themselves public are buying it, in disturbing numbers.
Something else I noticed while searching for public opinion on vaping and ecigs - go back a year or two and most articles indicate the public is in favor (obviously understanding, to some degree, that it MUST be less harmful than smoking). Fast forward to today and those numbers are flipping. Sad.
I kilo is 2.2 pounds the entire world is metric, get with the program.That might actually be useful knowledge... if anyone in America had any idea what a kg is or how a human's body weight translates to kg. Try pounds... that's what we all know. Speaking in metric helps no one -- unless you're discussing ejuice bottles.
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This is what I find interesting. Despite the activists, public opinion concerning vaping in the US is getting worse the longer vaping has been around. Perhaps the Walmart vapers are having an impact...
It must be those people who dare to vape in public. It couldn't possibly be a result of the millions of dollars spent on anti-ecig propaganda, or the unrelenting government backed media storm over stating every remotely ecig related issue.
You were addressing the idea that people would rather see kids vaping than smoking.... so my comments were about that, not about tobacco. But re: tobacco I tend to agree - re: what most people think - even with dreaded liberals
However, I don't agree with the fear mongering they buy into.
No but there's no chance of the drinking age being lowered back down to 18 anytime soon, because groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving lobby to keep it that way and even if you oppose irrational zealots for good reasons you get the response "so you're for drunk driving?!?!?!"
Voting has consequences. The 'progressive' vapers will get what they deserve in the end...
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