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A fun fact for the anti-vapers

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by Insomaniac10, Jun 25, 2015.

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  1. Insomaniac10

    Insomaniac10 Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 26, 2012
    Boston
    It's always great when people with no knowledge try to denounce vaping by regurgitating agenda-driven social media headlines, and try to lecture you about it being dangerous because of things like "all the unknown chemicals". Or some other uninformed claim that you then get the pleasure of debunking by assaulting them with vaping lingo like: "glycol/glycerin/kanthal/nickel/ohms/voltage/wattage/regulated/dna chip/etc". To us these are fundamental, uncomplicated, everyday words - but to someone who knows deep down that they don't know what they are talking about, these words can end the conversation rather quickly when delivered with conviction, and it's always fun.

    It does not always work, though. Humans are stubborn. I happened to stumble across this last night, and maybe it's been covered here before. After brushing my two year old's teeth, I looked at the bottle for whatever reason. Take a look at the ingredients.

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    So now, when information and facts do not work when defending yourself against these people (which they often don't), you can now just tell them that the main "unknown chemical" base used in e-liquid is also a main ingredient in their toddler's toothpaste. What a horrible parent! ;)
     
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  2. motordude

    motordude Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 1, 2015
    VA, USA
    Lol!!
    Growing up I always thought Big Bird was a little sketchy.
     
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  3. schatz

    schatz Super Member ECF Veteran

    And I can barely pronounce those other ingredients.But it must be safe right?
     
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  4. Snugglepooter

    Snugglepooter Super Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 16, 2012
    Upstate NY
    I usually dive right in by asking the offending party if they are a biochemist or a pulmonologist (inevitably not), then I start talking about vaping on a level that only a biochemist or pulmonologist would understand...

    Not that I can claim either label, I'm just kinda smart when it comes to big words.
     
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  5. KattMamma

    KattMamma Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 10, 2015
    DFW Area, Texas
    Or ask if they know what's in the toaster pastries (or tons of other crappy food kids eat)....

     
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  6. Tony16

    Tony16 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 19, 2015
    Great, now we've got antifreeze in our kids toothpaste, just great.
     
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  7. ReigntheGamer

    ReigntheGamer Account closed on request Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 14, 2014
    Yeah but how does the toothpaste vape? :lol:
     
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  8. KattMamma

    KattMamma Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 10, 2015
    DFW Area, Texas
    I'd be more worried about the flouride. There's enough flouride in a tube of toothpaste to potentially kill a 2 year old if they ate the whole thing.
     
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  9. khalidmna

    khalidmna Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 19, 2014
    Liverpool, UK
    That just freaked me out big time!
     
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  10. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    Putting something in a stomach or in lungs are two very different things. We already know we can eat sand, but when inhaled it causes silicosis. Diacetyl is another example. Or just try first to drink half a gallon of water and then try to inhale it. You'll see the difference.
     
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  11. Tony16

    Tony16 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 19, 2015
    Might be a little thick, may have to add some pg to it.
     
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  12. KattMamma

    KattMamma Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 10, 2015
    DFW Area, Texas
    As far as I know, only 1 or 2 people have actually died from eating toothpaste, making it statistically about the same as deaths from ingesting nicotine... no time to google it now.
     
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  13. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    actually the stomach and lungs are similar.
    they are both essentially filters.
    one filters and exchanges components to and from the air.
    the other filters and exchanges components from the food
    and passes waste material out.
    both are equipped to handle to handle to a certain extent
    one or the other.
    we burp when we consume to much air.
    our lungs are quite good at filtering out unwanted
    components in the air we breath.
    of course one wouldn't want an air embolism in the
    digestive track or particulate mater over certain
    thresholds of either solids or liquids in the lungs.
    to say the stomach and lungs are dissimilar is a
    bit of an over statement.they are both filters
    for different classes of compounds.
    as of yet diacetyl has not shown to be of any
    harm in the form of vaping.
    :2c:
    regards
    mike
     
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  14. Shipwreck

    Shipwreck Senior Member

    Jun 4, 2015
    Ontario, Canada
    I LOVE this post!!!!
    I like to play the ANTZ game and beat them at it LOL.... Here's a post I made to a couple of anti vaping groups...
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    An awesome little bit of facts!!

    Now, keep in mind here that vaping flavor liquids contain only four ingredients: Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, nicotine, and food grade flavoring.

    Now.... Here's the ingredient list from Vick's Pediatric Vapors:
    Naphthyl Acetate, Rosaphen, Isoborneol Crystals, Lavandin Grosso, Ethyl Linalool, Tetrahydromuguol, Dihydromyrcenol, Camphor Powder, Tetrahydrolinalool, Rosemary Oil Spanish, Eucalyptus Oil, Dipropylene Glycol.

    Did you know that Camphor is used in explosives? It's true, look it up. Did you also know that Camphor produces symptoms of irritability, disorientation, lethargy, muscle spasms, vomiting, abdominal cramps, convulsions, and seizures and is potentially lethal? Again, it's true, look it up.

    Do you know what Dipropylene Glycol is? Here's what it is used for:

    High-volume plasticizer
    Reactant in unsaturated polyurethane resins, adding flexibility and hydrolytic stability
    Initiator in urethane polyols, and as the polyol itself in some rigid polyurethane systems
    Reactive diluents in radiation-cured resins and coatings, cutting viscosity and enabling easier application

    Other effective uses of DPG are:

    Hydraulic brake fluid formulations
    Cutting oils
    Textile lubricants
    Printing inks
    Coatings
    Industrial soaps
    Solvents for agricultural chemicals such as insecticides

    Applications

    Urethanes
    Paint and Coatings

    Now tell me.... Would you want your child breathing in the vapors from Vick's vapors??? Looks to me like e-cigarette vaping is a lot safer.

    paidtoVAPE.com - Google Slides

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    I then sat back for a couple of days and watched the folks freak the H E double hockey sticks out over the mass poisoning of children with these vaporizers LMAO. Once I felt these folks had been sufficiently stirred into a frenzy bad enough to want to hang the makers of Vicks Pediatric Vapors I came back in and posted links to the true facts about the ingredients, which show that while everything I said in my post was 100% true, there is an infinitesimal chance of anyone actually dying or being harmed by Vicks Pediatric Vapor products. I then said "this is how easy it is for people to be mislead by smoke and mirrors and big fancy scientific words, half truths, and twisting of facts when you don't do your own research on an issue. This is exactly the same smoke and mirrors, misinformation tactics the government, heath organizations, and big tobacco and big drug companies are using against vaping. Do NOT trust these people for the truth folks, do your own research and dig deep for the truth!!!!"

    I then posted links to many various studies that contained the truth about vaping and invited them to educate themselves beyond the lies that have been told.
    Within an hour of me making my second post both of my posts were deleted and I was banned from the groups.......
     
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  15. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    speaking for just the statistics from the USA there
    have been 3 reported deaths from liquid nicotine
    in the last 20 to 25 years.(there may be more but,non that
    i have seen reported.)
    1 murder by injection.
    1 suicide by injection.(a note was found)
    1 apparent accidental poisoning where the child
    safety cap was lost and the bottle was left
    in the reach of a toddler.(the cap was never found at the scene)
    regards
    mike
     
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  16. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    Yes!
    And brain is a filter for wrong information.
    To say the brain and the stomach are dissimilar is a bit of overstatement.
     
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  17. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    i stand by what i say.
    your skin,stomach,lungs,liver and digestive track are
    all essentially filters of one sort or another.
    some have different unique functions but,are still
    filters.
    regards
    mike
     
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  18. Insomaniac10

    Insomaniac10 Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 26, 2012
    Boston
    "Fluoride-free", as seen in the photo. That is essentially the key difference between toothpaste for adults and toothpaste for toddlers...for the exact reason you mentioned.
     
  19. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    I understand what you are saying. And the main thing - we are mostly in agreement, since you said that stomach and lungs "have different unique functions".
     
  20. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    what i am saying is the stomach and lungs are both quite capable
    of handling undesired components in there own way to a certain
    extent.to imply that something we eat will be harmful if we breathe
    is not necessarily true. every time we smell anything edible we are
    getting particles of whatever we are smelling into our lungs.
    to surmise this in and of itself is potentially harmful is a gross
    over statement.
    :2c:
    regards
    mike
     
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