Are "Cloud Chasers" helping the anti-vape movement?

[jwilkers]

I've heard/seen negative reactions from people who have said " ecigs were fine at first, now they are using stuff that makes as much fog as a rock concert".

I got into this as a replacement for smoking, not as a gung ho fog generator. I fear that the cloud chasers will be the bane of our choice of nicotine delivery.

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[bacc.vap]

How much negative effect it has, I don't no, but I think it's safe to say it has little to no positive effect.

 

[CharTech]

I'm not a cloud chaser but I think it has probably advanced the technology the same way racing advances technology in production cars. People blowing huge clouds in places they shouldn't is what gives it a bad name. Just my .

 

[zoiDman]

I wouldn't say that Cloud Chaser's are Helping the Anti-vape Movement.

I would say that ANY Disrespectful Vaper is Helping the Anti-vape Movement. Be it with a Quad-Coil at 170 Watts. Or an Subtank Mini at 12 Watts.

 

[VNeil]

The war we are losing here had nothing to do with cloud chasing... It has to do with protecting 32 billion in tobacco tax revenue. It was never about anything else

 

[zoiDman]

I wouldn't say that Cloud Chaser's are Helping the Anti-Vape Movement.

I would say that ANY Disrespectful Vaper is Helping the Anti-Vape Movement. Be it with a Quad-Coil at 170 Watts. Or an Subtank Mini at 12 Watts.

BTW - Here is something I posted in Another Thread with regards to Cloud Chasing and it's effect on people...

Just to Interject Some Amount of Balance to this Cloud vs. Tootle Blame Game thing.

The Worst, the Absolute Worst, Scene I ever saw was when a Mid-Age Women was asked to Stop Using her eGo/CE4 set-up inside a Restaurant.

She went on a Complete Tirade shouting that El Torito was Violating Her Rights and that they were Nazi's Hell Bent on the Destruction of Personal Freedoms.

It was kinda Comical at 1st. But Quickly Degrade into being Embarrassing (as a Vaper) and in a way Sad to see someone have a Complete Meltdown. And I'm sure left a Lasting Impression with Everyone within Earshot. And that was Everyone. Because she was in Full "I Can Vape Everywhere" Vocal Mode as they Escorted her out.

 

[Oliver]

The war we are losing here had nothing to do with cloud chasing... It has to do with protecting 32 billion in tobacco tax revenue. It was never about anything else

Strongly disagree - although I don't disagree that focussing on cloud chasing is wrong.

The main thing we struggle with is the fact that vaping resembles smoking (whether it's a CE4 or a TFV4). The mere sight of someone inhaling something causes many non-smokers to have a disgust response, which they then post-rationalise. This causes a societal negative feed-back loop, and gives the ANTZ a massive upper hand.

Ultimately, this is a battle being fought in the court of public opinion. Unfortunately our opponents have the upper hand.

The money is important, but do not discount the degree to which educating the non-smoker is critical in all of this.

 

[sofarsogood]

I've heard/seen negative reactions from people who have said " ecigs were fine at first, now they are using stuff that makes as much fog as a rock concert".

I got into this as a replacement for smoking, not as a gung ho fog generator. I fear that the cloud chasers will be the bane of our choice of nicotine delivery.

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There are no social norms yet for vaping. The vapers and everybody else are still sorting that out. In the mean time the tobacco tax dependents are hanging everything on 'the kids'. The most recent statistics I've seen are very promising. The percent of kids smoking exclusively is plunging. More are dual using or vaping exclusively. My experience is, if you vape you'll smoke less. If you never stop vaping eventually you'll stop smoking. I think the same will apply to kids. I also think most kids who vape but never smoked will lose interest in vaping eventually. We have a couple more years of data coming up to see if I'm right.

 

[jwilkers]

I'm enjoying the comments thus far. Those of the other side of my opinion are also very helpful and informative. I'm just seeing a bit to much lean towards cloud chasing, like it's some sort of contest. Still, I asked the question to enlighten myself, rather than to judge or criticise. Thank you All for the feedback thus far [emoji2]

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[Hitmetwice]

A tootie or chaser both need to be able to discern when vaping may not be appropriate as in others will be offended by their vaping.

If either one doesn't give a rats ... about those around them or is for some reason or other on a mission to prove something, it will not turn out well for the general vaping population or our cause.

Pi$$ing people off is never a good way to win them over.

Obnoxious, rude, crude and ignorant vapers are the poster children of the antz campaigns.

Unfortunately they've been given many examples, like the one Zoidman pointed out.
Disgraceful display. Cheers.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

My opinion on this has varied over time however I've come to the conclusion that since the toxicity of second hand vapor has been proven to be below any work safety or other standards even in extreme conditions that it really doesn't matter. I've heard/read a lot of ANTZ saying that they don't want to come in contact with second hand vapor at all but the truth is they don't want to see people vaping or smoking at all..

The clouds in reality make no difference, I've always been a strong supporter that since it is of negligible toxicity it should be up to the proprietor of a venue whether or not they allow it...

Formaldehyde exposure from 3 e-cigarette formats tested well below WHO quality guidelines


They choose to ignore evidence showing very similar results from various sources over the last few years, they want to take away our right to our harm reduction devices because they don't see merit in harm reduction and feel that abstinence only is the only valid approach...

 

[daman909123]

Does cloud chasing help or hurt us? Well in my opinion it does both equally? even the guys i know who are flavor chasers enjoy the mods and atomizers that would not have come to be without cloud chasers existing. Due to them we constantly push boundaries that we would not push without them. That said if i have two people line up on a street me with my avacado single coil at 50w and 50/50 juice taking small hits just to enjoy and a guy on the other side of the street with my velocity with dual twisted coils running at 120w and 100% vg chasing clouds, and a family walks by both of us vaping i may not even get a second look most the time i dont. when they pass him blowing a huge cloud their child walks through you can bet he will get a bad look if not a remark or a lecture. People don't know the health side of it. I don't even clame i know i read both good and bad. i know its better than smoking without a doubt but if i cant say how bad it is or what happens after 15 years of vaping and know im 100% accurate how can i expect someone who does not vape to have accurate info. Now if someone gives my kid a bottle of medicine and does not tell me whats in it and tells me to have him drink it do you think i want him to drink it? no so i dont blame people at all. Now all that said i think cloud chasing is fun but i only do it in doors or in smoking designated areas. This is just me but in that way i dont see the harm coming from it. I smoke all over but only when flavor chasing but thats my all day vape. I usually only cloud chase on poker night Just my thoughts.

 

[Darth Skirata]

I think cloud chasing definitely is harming public opinion of vaping. Do what you want in private but when you do that .... in public people get annoyed. Hell, I've been vaping since the early days and I don't ever shop b&m anymore because trying to navigate through the fog that two or three vape bros in the store are generating is annoying.

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[WillyZee]

IMO, cloud chasing is not helping the general public accept vaping.

 

[VNeil]

Almost half of nonsmokers believe vaping is worse than smoking and they believe a whiff of any vapor is a death sentence.

We lost this war before anyone ever sees a cloud...

 

[OperationBrandon]

When I see those people who are just trying to make big clouds, it riles up that instinct in me that hates anything hip or trendy. Comparing the density of your clouds is as bad to me as obsessing about sports cars or bragging about your workout regime - it just makes you seem like a knob. The people who insist on blowing tons of smoke inside (in cinemas and stuff) definitely don't help.

 

[snork]

The answer is no. It's a convenient rationalization vapers use to point fingers at other vapers who do things of which they personally don't approve. The truth is, to non-vapers, the FDA, big tobacco and pharma, all vapers suck.

 

[sofarsogood]

I've heard/seen negative reactions from people who have said " ecigs were fine at first, now they are using stuff that makes as much fog as a rock concert".

I got into this as a replacement for smoking, not as a gung ho fog generator. I fear that the cloud chasers will be the bane of our choice of nicotine delivery.

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A researcher has recently reported that a high percentage of the kids who report vaping say they use zero nic liquid. How can that be? Easy, what interests the kids in smoking or vaping is visual. Vaping wins because the clouds are bigger. The grownups say, don't vape, nicotine is bad for you. No problemo, leave out the nic because, it's the clouds bro', right? If the kids are interested in the clouds and not the nic, which appears to be the situation that's great news. If you don't need nic you can buy e liquid in the grocery section at walmart and I bet kids are doing that already.

 

[jwilkers]

The answer is no. It's a convenient rationalization vapers use to point fingers at other vapers who do things of which they personally don't approve. The truth is, to non-vapers, the FDA, big tobacco and pharma, all vapers suck.

I've actually had discussions with people who can tell the difference. One person owns a bowling alley. After our discussion, she's looking into a "cloud chaser ban".

AntiSquid disclaimer: All information provided is personal opinion only and may or may not resemble actual fact.

 

[DC2]

I usually like to make clear that what I say is my opinion, not to be taken as fact.
Having said that...

It is without doubt a fact that cloud chasing is helping the anti-vape movement.
There can be absolutely no question about that, and there is no point in disagreeing.

Having said THAT now, the post below is correct...

Almost half of nonsmokers believe vaping is worse than smoking and they believe a whiff of any vapor is a death sentence.

We lost this war before anyone ever sees a cloud...

And I'll go one better...

Half of nonsmokers believe a whiff of smoke will harm them.
And that's the real problem.

Society has been successfully brainwashed with lies and propaganda.
It's really quite amazing when you think about it.

And scary too.
Very scary.