Well, my reasoning is based on the idea that there won't actually be a supply problem in this case, and in fact vendors will be eager to sell as much as they can before a deadline. And because there is more than one of them there will be competition for customers that will keep them from jacking prices up too high.
This seems to be pretty much what happened in the UK with the TPD, and it assumes a scenario much like the UK scenario, where nic vendors are going to continue to be able sell high concentration nic to businesses after the deadline. My guess is that DIYers make up a small fraction of the market, measured by volume, so it would take _quite_ a panic among DIYers to substantially reduce the nicotine supply.
Ah, I didn't mean that we pay relatively high prices in the US. I mean that DIYers buy in relatively small quantities and pay relatively high prices compared to businesses ranging from small juice companies up to manufacturers of cigalikes, NRT products, etc. who must go through nic by the barrel. My reasoning above is mostly based on some guesses about the relative sizes of the business to business and the business to consumer markets for high-concentration nic, and on the likely margins involved.
Yes, it seems particularly onerous in that average incomes in India are substantially lower than in the US. The truth is that, while I don't like wasting money, the cost of DIY is not, over time, particularly significant for me. This is why I'm willing to pay for good nic- even if it costs $140.00/L shipped, or so... well that's what it would cost me to smoke for ten days or so.
OTOH the prices you cite seem as if they would be out of reach for a pretty large fraction of the Indian population, and quite significant even for a lot of the relatively affluent Indians for whom it is not wholly out of the question.
My nic has cost from $100-$160 for a liter. It has gotten cheaper as I buy it. A carton of smokes is about $100 these days.
Remember, Heartland is offering 25% off this weekend.
Next day air on this will kill any savings.
I am familiar with it. I'll just note that I am not waiting for supernatural assistance
. A more apt parable might be that of the boiled frog, but... well, I've explained my reasoning at length above. And I am keeping an eye on things, and an ear to the ground.Also, note that I'm not suggesting that those who have stocked up thoroughly (especially those with large freezers) are mistaken to have done so. Nic is not that expensive in the grand scheme of things, and "better safe than sorry" is a reasonable approach here. It's not as if the nic is going to go bad, if handled properly, and I might well start adding to my strategic reserve in the near future.
Is that from Heartland? It seems pretty expensive if so... unless I'm borking my math pretty badly it comes out to around $34.00/L... which is about what they're charging for nic this weekend, right? If I were in the market for a 55 gallon drum I'd sort of expect a larger discount than is offered to consumers on Memorial Day weekend. Then again, $34.00/L _is_ pretty insanely low. It might be that they are selling to consumers at essentially the same margins they sell to larger businesses at.
Nah, that's the 55 gallon drum price before the 25% off. Regular price is about $10 a liter under the by the liter stuff (usually $45).
It took me a minute to parse you here, but assuming I understand correctly that makes more sense. I can see why people like them though- that's a remarkably small premium to pay for such smaller volumes. I sound like an ad for them now
. I might have to grab some nic from them and see what I think of it.Going back to my reasoning above, even buying 100mg a barrel at a time probably makes you a relatively small business. I'd guess that the really large buyers account for quite a lot of the market, and that they buy essentially pure nic in large quantities, have their own facilities for handling and cutting it safely (which shouldn't be all _that_ expensive- we're not talking about plutonium here,) and buy in volumes that allow for a much lower price.
if you fly to america (if vacationing/biz of course),, got some nic (100mg) couldn't you take it back with little or no tax?,,,,,,pour it into a bottle of 'wine' if need be.
lol,, my mind instantly said to me,,,,,,,,,ok,, get everyone organized for a roadtrip,, side of the road we roll the drum for a bit,, install a tap,, everyone bring their own gallon jug, fill up ,, and drive off. no LOITERING hahahaha
It took me a minute to parse you here, but assuming I understand correctly that makes more sense. I can see why people like them though- that's a remarkably small premium to pay for such smaller volumes. I sound like an ad for them now
Going back to my reasoning above, even buying 100mg a barrel at a time probably makes you a relatively small business. I'd guess that the really large buyers account for quite a lot of the market, and that they buy essentially pure nic in large quantities, have their own facilities for handling and cutting it safely (which shouldn't be all _that_ expensive- we're not talking about plutonium here,) and buy in volumes that allow for a much lower price.
Oh, the only folks who would buy a 100 mg/ml drum have to be the lower volume vendors who don't want the hassles and risks associated with higher concentrations. Although I do not think the lower volume vendors are your local B&M who mix and sell a house juice, as that's a lot of nic to have in the back room. 200 liters makes more 30 ml bottles than the average vape shop might push out the door to justify that kind of outlay for inventory.
Or I'm completely wrong and there are tons of those blue drums out there. Now we just need to wait for one to "fall off the back of a truck".........................
heh! Flying in and out of the US these days is fully nerve-wracking enough without any contraband on board! And I'm a chicken! But I'm okay, I do have plenty of TOO EXPENSIVE nicotine to last for years.
I can get the IV and a bulkhead to connect it to.
Question is, how am I going to hang this over my bed post?
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Just checked some couple of day old emails. Here's more places that are ready to help you part with some of your money...during their sales. I haven't seen them on here yet, so:
Wizard Labs
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May 26-29
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Mister E-Liquid
50% off all Clearance Items
50% off Select Eliquids
25% off all Starter Kits
May 26-27th
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Discount automatic at Checkout
15% off all flavors, PG, VG, and Nic solutions
Free S/H $50 and over
Ends 5/31/2017
Code: MEMORIAL17
Nicotine River
16% off everything
Ends 5/29/2017 @ midnight PST
Code: MEMORIAL
LiteCigUSA
15% off sitewide
Free S/H $15 and up
May 26-29
Code: EVERYTHING15
Mister E-Liquid
50% off all Clearance Items
50% off Select Eliquids
25% off all Starter Kits
May 26-27th
No code needed!
Discount automatic at Checkout
Yep- 55 gallons of 100mg is an unwieldly quantity, which might explain the lack of a real bulk discount. If you go through that much nic on the regular you should likely just bite the bullet and get some hazmat gear and a fume hood (I am _not_ talking abut DIY here, of course.) If you don't that's a difficult amount to store well enough that it will stay good for very long.
When I was a very young man, and in desperate straits, I wound up working for some sketchy people in Montreal for a while. They were conspicuously lucky people in that they frequently found things that had fallen out of trucks. A bit of observation told me that in this, as with so much in life, one makes one's own luck. And now we have come full-circle. I suspect that these people had an instinctive understanding of The Parable of The Flood.
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How do you like heartlands nic? It gives me a slight ashy taste when I go unflavored but not noticeable if mixed with flavor. Just wondering if others get that to. Btw it's not the premium nic just there cheapest one.
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