For me, it is the public gathering aspect of this, and situation that isn't on private property, held for private individuals.
I can see how it would be possible for vaping to be offensive in a public situation, but it would have to be the sort where vaper is standing inches away from fellow patron and more or less blowing huge cloud in face of fellow patrons. Short of that, and I do not understand the offensive claim that might be made.
I also think if it is mildly offensive and that is grounds for no use at all anywhere on the property, then there are a whole bunch of things currently done in public that fit that criteria, including breathing. Yes, breathing. Everyone could wear a mouth filter to minimize the multitude of things that can come out of you while you are engaging in normal breathing. Up til now, I would say normal breathing in usual public gathering is mildly offensive for some, and non-issue for many. In my experience of vaping in public, I am yet to run into persons who were vocally offended, or showed signs of being mildly offended. I believe such people exist and believe some vapers have come into contact with them in public. But please don't dismiss the notion that of the dozens of times I've vaped in public, I'm yet to run across this, thus showing me a world where it shows up like a non-issue.
On threads like this, it routinely seems like we have persons claiming that vaping in public, is inherently mildly offensive. And claims by me or others that say it routinely comes across as non-issue are then met with notion that people might not display their offensiveness, so secretly harbor that resentment toward all vapers. Yet, the same thing could be said about breathing in public. I would readily agree that it shows up as a non-issue, but for all we know, the majority finds it mildly offensive and chooses not to be vocal about it when out and about.
And if we are moving into a world where vapor is deemed inherently offensive regardless of circumstances in public (indoors, outdoors, no crowd, large crowd, whatever), then I think we will move into a world where breathing without a mouth filter will be deemed inherently offensive. I kinda don't see how that wouldn't play out. Especially considering the idea that us who live in colder climates see people exhaling vapor all the time. And in a world where vaping is treated exact same as smoking in public, with overt shaming being permissible, I see a whole bunch of vapers who realize the game has changed and wish to make sure other things are also treated the same.
I don't think I'd be one of those vapers, but I could be. Any of us could be. Surely, some of us will be. If exhaling vapor outdoors is inherently mildly offensive, then a case will be made, rather easily, that breathing outdoors in public, without a filter over your mouth, is inherently mildly offensive.
I can see how it would be possible for vaping to be offensive in a public situation, but it would have to be the sort where vaper is standing inches away from fellow patron and more or less blowing huge cloud in face of fellow patrons. Short of that, and I do not understand the offensive claim that might be made.
I also think if it is mildly offensive and that is grounds for no use at all anywhere on the property, then there are a whole bunch of things currently done in public that fit that criteria, including breathing. Yes, breathing. Everyone could wear a mouth filter to minimize the multitude of things that can come out of you while you are engaging in normal breathing. Up til now, I would say normal breathing in usual public gathering is mildly offensive for some, and non-issue for many. In my experience of vaping in public, I am yet to run into persons who were vocally offended, or showed signs of being mildly offended. I believe such people exist and believe some vapers have come into contact with them in public. But please don't dismiss the notion that of the dozens of times I've vaped in public, I'm yet to run across this, thus showing me a world where it shows up like a non-issue.
On threads like this, it routinely seems like we have persons claiming that vaping in public, is inherently mildly offensive. And claims by me or others that say it routinely comes across as non-issue are then met with notion that people might not display their offensiveness, so secretly harbor that resentment toward all vapers. Yet, the same thing could be said about breathing in public. I would readily agree that it shows up as a non-issue, but for all we know, the majority finds it mildly offensive and chooses not to be vocal about it when out and about.
And if we are moving into a world where vapor is deemed inherently offensive regardless of circumstances in public (indoors, outdoors, no crowd, large crowd, whatever), then I think we will move into a world where breathing without a mouth filter will be deemed inherently offensive. I kinda don't see how that wouldn't play out. Especially considering the idea that us who live in colder climates see people exhaling vapor all the time. And in a world where vaping is treated exact same as smoking in public, with overt shaming being permissible, I see a whole bunch of vapers who realize the game has changed and wish to make sure other things are also treated the same.
I don't think I'd be one of those vapers, but I could be. Any of us could be. Surely, some of us will be. If exhaling vapor outdoors is inherently mildly offensive, then a case will be made, rather easily, that breathing outdoors in public, without a filter over your mouth, is inherently mildly offensive.