Augusta, GA -- E-cigarettes in smoking ban extension

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  1. Placebo Effect

    Placebo Effect Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Augusta, GA is amending their smoke-free ordinance to more match the glorious ANR model. In addition to extending their existing ban, this will ban e-cigarettes in hundreds of workplaces already covered under the existing language.

    Augusta, GA - Official Website

    Commissioner's contact info -- Augusta, GA - Official Website - Augusta Commission

    If someone could put the names, phone numbers, and e-mail addresses into format similar to what our Call to Action's look like, I'd appreciate it.

    A public hearing at 10 a.m. :shakes head:

    Below is a letter CASAA wrote to the the chief sponsor of the ordinance and the town's attorney in August, before the legislation was official proposed. They didn't remove e-cigarettes, but they did define them separately and include them in the title. Unfortunately, the city's website only bothered to note that it was a ban on SMOKING (public notice here). I'm hoping to get that changed.

     
  2. Placebo Effect

    Placebo Effect Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    I made a request that Augusta mention e-cigarettes in their public hearing notice.

    The website has been updated -- Augusta, GA - Official Website

    Looking at the glass as half full, at least this may result in someone from the news media reporting on e-cigarettes being included.
     
  3. Bill Godshall

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  4. Bill Godshall

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    An important note in the news article posted above. It would be helpful if some GA vapers showed up.

     
  5. Placebo Effect

    Placebo Effect Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Proposed smoking ban raises controversy at public hearing

     
  6. kristin

    kristin Accessories Supplier ECF Veteran

    Yay Noah! Way to go to show up and speak!!
     
  7. Placebo Effect

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    Augusta Call to Action -- CASAA.org

    Unfortunately, Mr. Garcia broke the cardinal rule of speaking before the government -- don't compare politicians to Nazis.

    Must be something in the water | The Augusta Chronicle

     
  8. Placebo Effect

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  9. Placebo Effect

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    Proposed smoking ordinance sent back for revisions | The Augusta Chronicle

    We've got the Mayor Pro Tem advocating for us!
     
  10. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    When I send to these Health groups, I've been looking up the mayor and town council members and copying them on the correspondence. I think it's good to get them to understand the issues as well as the obviously ban oriented health departments. I figure my 20+ years in the health/pharma industry doesn't hurt mentioning either.
     
  11. Jacinda222

    Jacinda222 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Wanted to bump this thread since the next committee meeting is coming up in about a week (on January 18th). Do we have any local vapers who are going to be able to attend?
     
  12. Tom09

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  13. Jacinda222

    Jacinda222 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Good to hear! Fingers crossed!
     
  14. Bill Godshall

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  15. TennDave

    TennDave Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Still, a good time to educate them- it will rear its ugly head again.
    What city was it in Virginia, or was it all of Virginia that enacted a smoking ban but did not include e-cigs and it's working out rather nicely! Hey, they can even sell e-cigs at the bar for those who want to "indulge" but can't "burn" one in-doors!!
    Would be a great way to turn folks off from smoking and onto e-cigs. I guess the next thing coming (watch for it!!) are e-cig vending machines and it's bound to be controversial too.
     
  16. rstreet55

    rstreet55 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    To be quite honest, I don't mind banning e-cigs along with cigarettes inside public places. Remember, when you exhale, you are exhaling a lot of nicotine, especially since the majority of the nicotine is not absorbed in the lungs compared to cigarettes. I would not want children or elderly people inhaling my exhaled nicotine. It can be harmful and/or irritating to non-smokers/vapers. I never use my ecigs inside unless it's within my own home or in my vehicle. Ecigs are safer, but they are not entirely harmless either.
     
  17. CJsKee

    CJsKee Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    rstreet55, this is not correct. See: Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled Actually, only a small amount of nicotine is in a puff, and most of it is absorbed by the user. As the chart says, nicotine is not harmful in the amounts exhaled.
     
  18. sherid

    sherid Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Do you oppose drinking coffee inside a coffee shop since the steam from the coffee makers must surely carry whiffs of caffeine that might pose a health risk to elderly people and children. Caffeine and nicotine are similar substances. When is the last time you heard of someone becoming ill or dead from inhaling either substance? BTW, what are three names of anyone who ever died of shs as the only cause of death? In Augusta or in any other place on the planet, what people have ever been held captive inside a bar or other place that allows smoking inside? If people are being forced to breathe either the fumes from cigarette smoke, caffeine, or the vapor from e cigs, then we have a problem that involves a charge of kidnapping. If someone is elderly, a child, or an asthmatic whose condition is made worse from any of these substances, then that person needs to avoid going into a place that allows those substances. I have a terrible reaction to eucalyptus. It makes me instantly nauseous, so it is necessary for me to avoid stores that sell eucalyptus such as craft stores. It is very simple. I just walk out of the place as soon as I catch a whiff. We are responsible for our own health. Everyone has bad reactions to something. If I have a cat allegry, it is doubtful that I will own a cat, go to people's homes who own cats even if they are relatives, or frequent pet stores.
     
  19. TennDave

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    I was going to comment too but looks like you two covered it. :)
     
  20. rstreet55

    rstreet55 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    You should know that healthnz.co.nz is not an equivalent of the FDA or BMJ. That study was not peer-reviewed. The link you gave just has a table and some unsubstantiated claims. The lone source is the study itself. Again, no peer review. It seems as if you have just found a site that coincides with your beliefs and that is all there is to it.

    @sherid, your analogy to caffine is irrelevant as you cannot absorb caffeine by sitting next to a cup of coffee. But people can be at risk to exposure to nicotine through vapor. Also, I can avoid eucalyptus simply by walking away from if I see it. It's not going to follow me on it's own and I've seen someone walking around with it in public. However, if I am in a grocery store and someone is puffing away at an ecig next to me in line, I can't exactly just leave unless I decide to just leave my cart in the line.

    e cig study by FDA

    It shows absorption levels of nicotine from different cartridges in ecigs. Yes, I know a lot of you hate the FDA and feel they are in some giant conspiracy to ban ecigs, but scientific facts are scientific facts. I know a lot of people like using high levels (24-36, some even 48) of nic in their juices. This only increases the amount that can be exhaled. My point is that you should be careful where you are using it and who is around you when you're puffing. People are sensitive or allergic to different substances and we can't always know. It's better to be safe than sorry when out in public around people.

    I am happy I found ecigs. I can now workout vigorously, play ultimate frisbee, and run races now that I quit. I believe my health is improved greatly based on the results of my last few doctors visits. I understand they may not be completely safe but I am far better off now than I was a year ago. But just because we have found an amazing alternative to smoking doesn't mean we automatically dismiss any negative studies about the products. And we shouldn't see all positive claims as fact or truth when they haven't been tested without bias or peer review. Just because I want to believe that there are no harmful side effects does not mean there aren't or that I should ignore studies that say there very well could be.
     
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